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4 months ago: FOXBORO, MA - JANUARY 14: Tim Tebow #15 of the Denver Broncos walks back to the bench after he was sacked in the second half by the New England Patriots defense during their AFC Divisional Playoff Game at Gillette Stadium on January 14, 2012 in Foxboro, Massachusetts. (Photo by Jim Rogash/Getty Images)
FINAL
The Broncos won the turnover battle. They won Time of Possession. The game wasn't even close. Tom Brady is a Hall of Famer for a reason and he showed it tonight - Brady went 26-34 for 363 yards and a playoff-record 6 touchdowns, leading the Patriots to a 45-10 win.
I know we all love the blame game, but tonight was a team loss - like many of the wins this year were team wins. Nothing was working tonight with the Broncos getting poor performances from all their key contributors. At some point, however, you need to tip your cap to the team on the other side - especially when they are 13-3 and come in as the AFC's #1-seed.
It's tough to swallow now - we are all disappointed - but somehow, some way, try and focus on what the Denver Broncos DID accomplish this season instead of what they failed to do tonight. At 5-16 since the start of 2010, the Broncos were going no where. They turned it around, went 8-5, won a playoff game and brought respectability back to Broncos football.
If you are old enough, you remember living through 39-20, 42-10 and 55-10. Those were Super Bowls. John Elway was the quarterback. The Broncos survived then, and we all will now.
Hold your heads high, Broncos Country, the Broncos are on the rise.
GO BRONCOS!
8 recs | 591 comments
It's been a fun year.
Quite the movie script season. This is hopefully just the beginning. Go Broncos!
OTRWaldo - January 14, 2012
Absolutely right, John
Think of where we came from and how far we got.
Next year looks promising already!!
83BroncoFan - January 14, 2012
Need veteran Ss.
Interesting season.
Gulbrand - January 14, 2012
And depth. Our secondary depth was a nightmare.
Also need to see a real MLB. Why we kept Mays out there instead of Woodyard is beyond me. Mays got smoked in both playoff games.
McGeorge - January 14, 2012
Looks like or Oline
needs plenty of work as well as our DT position. We get no pressure on the QB up the gut.
MLB is a huge need. We need a real athlete in there.
kimbertr - January 14, 2012
I wouldn't get too worried about the o-line
They had a nice year. I would say they are leaps and bounds better than what they were last year. Also they’re still young, three out of the 5 haven’t had a full offseason yet. They will get better.
tiderfootball09 - January 14, 2012
Yup... OLine is a bright spot... not a weakness
Trapped in O.C. - January 14, 2012
They need to learn NFL-standard pass protection
But that is something most OLs need to learn out of college.
ClarkFan - January 15, 2012
Gotta agree with Mays.
idahobronc - January 14, 2012
Woodyard
Mays is a thunderous hitter when he doesn’t whiff. Woodyard is a surer tackler as well as being the best pass defender of the backers. I don’t care if he is “too small,” he finds the ball and makes plays. I’d only take him out to give him a blow, if he needed one.
spock - January 15, 2012
Agreed
I expected to see DJ Williams at Mike and Woody at Will. It was frustrating to see Mays play defense – he should’ve played ST exclusively last night.
This defense needs a pocket-collapsing DT. Hopefully, they can grab Josh Chapman at #25 in the draft and hopefully he could be that guy after being groomed to rotate with Bunkley. I’m not expecting Warren to play beyond next year, although if he’s healthy and good enough, I’ll take whatever he can give.
At safety, the Broncos must draft yet another. If nothing else, Moore needs to be challenged and Bruton may need to settle in on STs. He just isn’t a solid starter at SS.
I also hope 2012 will be Goody’s last year as the #2 CB. He’s been bad far more often than good.
Horsepower - January 15, 2012
The 2012 draft still needs to focus on defense
Current secondary is either old, hurt, or bad – needs something close to a ground-up rebuild. If there is an impact CB at #25, that could be a good pick (with DT the second choice for me).
ClarkFan - January 15, 2012
This
Calikula - January 15, 2012
By the time Rafael Bush
By the time Rafael Bush was running around playing safety, it was already too late. The saddest thing is that the Broncos used a 2nd and 4th rounder on safeties this year alone.
YouAreSignedIn - January 15, 2012
Well towards the end Carter had begun to look like a starter
Moore is another story.
British Bronco - January 15, 2012
Carter is showing promise
Hopefully he comes back stronger soon
Calikula - January 15, 2012
biting my tonge here
Boiler etc - January 15, 2012
And a 2nd and 4th in 09. Ouch
Calikula - January 15, 2012
I great year
I think this was a great year! We did more than I expected by far. Now, time to draft one more fast big receiver and shore up our secondary so we don’t get crushed by the great QBs and this team will be back in the playoffs again next year!
Is it the 2012-2013 season yet!! :-)
Snoogins - January 14, 2012
Great year, horrible last game.
I hope I never have to watch another game with Mays, Bush, Royal, Lance Ball or McBean wearing Denver Bronco uniforms. We need to purge our roster of these below average to no talents.
Guys like Bruton need to be returned to ST play only. Bowlen will need to open his pocket book in UFA in order to add some of the much needed depth our team lacks. Seeing clowns like Bush get obliterated by Brady was pointless. Seeing us run Ball over and over when the man is barely better than CFL level is pointless.
Xanders needs to be ruthless in roster evaluation. He needs to know which guys can’t hack it and how to get them replaced.
McGeorge - January 14, 2012
I like the CFL. :)
JohnCalvinKnox - January 14, 2012
I hope some CFL talent scouts were at the game tonight because ball could be decent in that league.
McGeorge - January 14, 2012
I hope Xanders was at the game tonight to see what talent looks like
Boiler etc - January 15, 2012
with the 26th pick of the nfl draft the denver broncos select......
Bustafluff - January 14, 2012 via mobile
We have the 25th pick.
McGeorge - January 14, 2012
fair enough, i guessed
Bustafluff - January 14, 2012 via mobile
you were close, but I’m right.
Nice spot to trade down for a team in early round 2 looking to move up for a QB.
McGeorge - January 14, 2012
Assuming there is one worth taking, which I’m not sure there will be.
McGeorge - January 14, 2012
Foles or Tannenhill
Mediocre choices…
CombatChuk - January 14, 2012
when you’re Seattle, you don’t have a choice. You have to get a QB.
McGeorge - January 14, 2012
The 25th pick is like that 12-15 range where lots of trades usually go down.
I wouldn’t mind trading down for a second/third. The CB and RB class is deep this year. Broncos could easily snag David Wilson or Gilmore. Also I’d save getting a MLB in the draft. The broncos should go get Dan Connor from the Panthers. He would be an upgrade over Mays and would give Irving time to develope.
tiderfootball09 - January 14, 2012
Josh Chapman may be available at #25
The D needs to be able to collapse the opponent’s pocket. Brady’s jersey stayed nice and clean all night and that can’t happen. Once the pocket collapses and the pass rush forces Brady to move up, wham…here comes a MLB we don’t have yet on an A-gap blitz. Result? Sack.
That was missing last night and made the defense look worse than it was.
Horsepower - January 15, 2012
I’d trade down and make sure I had three 2nd rounders in order to find a new MLB, new CB and new RB with speed.
McGeorge - January 14, 2012
trading down would be ideal. Don't think we'll get who we want where we're at.
Zac Man - January 14, 2012
Unlikely there will be anyone at 25 that we have to get.
McGeorge - January 14, 2012
Is McD going to be in charge of this for the Pats? (evil grin)
idahobronc - January 14, 2012
If by "this" you mean licking BBs boots and getting coffee... probably
Da Bum - January 15, 2012
And if a top notch
big fella either O or D should still be around I would grab him in a second.
kimbertr - January 14, 2012
Joe Philbin. OC, Green Bay.
Zac Man - January 14, 2012
best available
We r weak across the board. No TE,but everything else is priority
Mike@4th&99 - January 14, 2012 via iPhone app
a steal in the second is better than a reach in the first...
Trapped in O.C. - January 14, 2012
i will be fine without royal mays and bush but the others are just fine
Joshua Glover - January 14, 2012
Ball is just fine for a practice squad RB to have around just in case.
McGeorge - January 14, 2012
I wish there was a mother f*&^%@! love button
Because I couldn’t have said it better myself.
MILEHIGHMILLER - January 14, 2012
The only thing worse than watching the game was having to listen to Simms and Nantz
Agreed about the need to replace Mays, who always seemed to be trailing the play. I would add Goodman, too, for the same reason.
On the other hand, several young players stepped up this year, and it should be interesting to see what happens after the next draft and free agency. Hope the team signs Bunkley and I’d like to see how Warren does next year after he rehabs. I also like Chris Harris, but think we need a new top-flight CB as Champ eventually transitions to safety.
More than anything else, though, I want to see how much Tebow improves after an offseason with good coaching.
It’s been a really entertaining year, Broncos; hope you continue to improve next year and get back into the playoffs.
bill2975 - January 15, 2012
The nice thing is
with the Broncos 22 mil under the cap right now, they will have plenty of room to do so :)
Disturbed70 - January 15, 2012
disgusting way to finish the season
Proved the msm and everybody outside of Colorado right
Bustafluff - January 14, 2012 via mobile
Seeing our D show so little effort was hard to stomach.
McGeorge - January 14, 2012
True.
Our o line was seriously overmatched as well. Tebow spent half the game ducking and running for his life.
JohnCalvinKnox - January 14, 2012
Franklin picked a bad time to play like a crappy rookie.
McGeorge - January 14, 2012
Ninkovich was schooling him like an English marm.
Complete with powdery wig and lacey frock.
TheMorseFile - January 14, 2012
And I guess that is what I take for solace from this.
We are a dang young team. We have some core there but are still needing to build this team up. Will be glad to see an offseason under alot of these young players belts.
JohnCalvinKnox - January 14, 2012
All true. Just wished we’d played harder tonight. Our guys showed little fight and quit very early.
McGeorge - January 14, 2012
Yeah. They just looked complacent. That's the word I am looking for.
As soon as NE scored that first TD it seemed like they just said “Well we’re outgunned. Let’s just get this over with.” We need an Al Wilson on that side of the Ball. Von is a great player but we don’t have any leader on D once Dawkins goes.
JohnCalvinKnox - January 14, 2012
Dawk needs to be done.
I love him but he can’t hold us hostage anymore. Time to cut bait with most of the old timers and keep bringing in the fresh bodies with higher ceilings. That’s how you rebuild so we may as well get to it.
postpunk27 - January 14, 2012
Even Colquit was sucking - 35 yard punts?
If I was a conspiracy theorist, I would have tested the guys for drugs. The entire team seemed slow, for sure.
Da Bum - January 15, 2012
True
but they did play last Sunday, while the Pats were very healthy and energetic coming off a bye. IMO it showed.
Horsepower - January 15, 2012
This was the most frustrating part of the night
With a little push up front and a little protection for TT thw game would have been more competitive. This game is won in the trenches and we were beat on both sides.
A-Rom - January 14, 2012
Right
Maybe in the short term, Harris can reclaim his spot at RT and Franklin can play LG until we can upgrade. Beadles can then be demoted to the utility lineman that he truly is and use him in special goal line packages where he can pull and free up a rushing Fannin, McGahee, or Tebow.
Horsepower - January 15, 2012
Franklin is too tall to play guard.. He had a good year, just a bad last game.
JohnCalvinKnox - January 15, 2012
But they were the ones carrying us all season,
not Tebow, remember?
postpunk27 - January 14, 2012
who knows. Just sad to see us not play hard.
McGeorge - January 14, 2012
I'm stoked we were even playing tonight.
Our team made it to the elite eight, if you will. I don’t think anyone would have placed us there before the season. Here’s to next year :)
postpunk27 - January 14, 2012
Hopefully
we won’t be last year’s Chiefs and stink it up in the regular season. The schedule is tougher and defenses will have all offseason to sniff out the zone read and dive option crap. That’ll work against Oakland and that’s about it.
Horsepower - January 15, 2012
With an off season
a lot of things can happen, and i would say that 90% of them are good. Especially with young players. They will have time to go back and learn from the mistakes they made. This goes for the coaching staff also. I honestly don’t think the option offense will be the staple next season, it may be a “wrinkle” here and there, and we still have to take advantage of Tim’s unique skill set. But I fully expect TT to develop into the “passer” we need to keep defenses honest. If he can do that we have too many options (no pun intended) on Offense and that will give DC’s nightmares!
As for us being the Chefs, I am not worried about that at all. EFX >>>> than Poili, Haley, and even Pioli, Crennel. So glad they decided to keep Crennel , and from the “short season” of his work we know that KO is his “guy” :) Couldn’t be happier for the Chefs: 24-40 coach and a 15-25 QB = match made in heaven. Lets hope that marriage lasts!!!
Oakland is as dysfunctional as ever! With “special boy” Mark Davis trying to put his “stamp” on the team we can look forward to more inept play from them as well.
SD even with out any coaching changes have 19 FA’s they need to try to re-sign, and with AJ’s track record for keeping talent is could be "rebuilding time in SD as well!
I see a lot of positives going forward into next season and personally I CANT WAIT!!
Disturbed70 - January 15, 2012
The only revival candidate is SD, and Spanos buried them for another year
The coach and GM walk around wearing “Fire Me” signs and he re-ups them. Wow……
ClarkFan - January 15, 2012
no that was the defense
Bustafluff - January 14, 2012 via mobile
Great game plan by Patriots. Incredible season for us.
Anyone who is not satisfied with our team this year after a 4-12 season, is simply not a fan.
JohnCalvinKnox - January 14, 2012
game plan
Maybe it is sour grapes, but I felt like this game, along with many of our other cluckers this year seem to be as much about game plan as about execution (at least that is how it looks from the outside).
Case in point, two drives we pushed the pocket up the middle, brady struggled (one pick and one three and out drive). Pats adjust by going almost exclusivley shotgun, and our adjustment to that was . . . not finding another way to push the pocket from the middle. frustrating.
brettden - January 14, 2012
I didnt like the Offensive plan...
Regular runs were big gainers, the option/zone read stuff was getting eaten up, yet we still went with it. dumb.
charlesnelsonreilly - January 14, 2012
The college plays didn't work the last time
and so I don’t see why McCoy bothered to use them this time. What made him think that seeing this offense a second time with 2 weeks off would produce a different result? The Pats were even more ready and flew around the field knowing what was coming before the snap.
Horsepower - January 15, 2012
I am not so sure about that either. We were getting owned up front. It was a bad night all around
Da Bum - January 15, 2012
Just wanted to come in and say "Good game."
The Broncos are definitely on the rise. See you back at our house next year.
Treima - January 14, 2012
Congrats to you. Class move.
JohnCalvinKnox - January 14, 2012
Me too.
Well, it wasn’t really a “good game” by the Broncos, I do think the Broncos are capable of playing better than this and I don’t think we’ll see the Pats go up 35-7 by the half in next year’s regular-season match-up (as much as I would like to). Good luck next year.
tossin - January 14, 2012
Oh yeah
I know the Broncos were NOT playing their A-game in any respect last night, but you guys have a team of young studs and emerging playmakers. I don’t think Tebow is the future of the team, but with or without him the AFC West would be ill-advised to discount Denver in 2012.
Treima - January 15, 2012
For the Patriots, yes it was
If I was smart enough to coach in the NFL, I would’ve called a slightly different gameplan against your team. Granted, the Broncos would still have lost, but at least it would’ve actually been a “good game.”
Horsepower - January 15, 2012
I don't think anyone would have beaten the Pats tonight.
Boiler etc - January 15, 2012
The best part of this is the coaching staff can now focus
on fixing the most glaring weaknesses and we should be a better team next year. 10-6 next year?
frankencrank - January 14, 2012
Focus...
bof us?
Mee - January 14, 2012
My only problem
is our schedule looks tougher next year than it was this year.
kimbertr - January 14, 2012
This is true, and we need to work this into the equation that is our expectations.
idahobronc - January 14, 2012
Expectations?
Superbowl or bust every year…
No excuses, play like a champion…
Trapped in O.C. - January 14, 2012
Our schedule was supposed to be tough this year.
It just depends.
Orange Rush - January 15, 2012
I support the Falcons
but you may see that team regress with Carolina vastly improving. New Orleans isn’t going anywhere and Tampa Bay is a ship without a rudder. Pittsburgh’s going in the toilet, nowhere to go but down
the new Bradfather - January 15, 2012
It was tied for 3rd toughest
Boiler etc - January 15, 2012
Season went way better then I thought it would...
Bad way to finish but at least we left Rothlisberger to watch the game on his couch. See you all in April for the draft.
BlueNOrangeNIdaho - January 14, 2012
Great season, terrible ending, but I think deep down it shouldn’t really shock us. We were badly overmatched – we have some serious talent/depth problems on defense and an extremely young offense. Things are looking up though – a couple good drafts and some growth from the young guys on offense and things should improve.
scooter17 - January 14, 2012
I don't care who they draft...
as long as Fox is in charge it will turn to the SOS!
Mee - January 14, 2012
SOS?
Trapped in O.C. - January 14, 2012
I think he means Same Old Sh*t
firstfan - January 14, 2012
Funny you should say that
Compared to most recent drafts this one produced some vital talent in some key areas (yes, we have other areas that need talent upgrades…).
Fox took the absolute worst D in the league, added a few key parts, put in charge an aggressive young coordinator, and viola, a respectable defense over night. Fox took a team that was horrid running the ball, adds an aggressive young tackle and a rebounding RB (and an unconventional QB that can run with the best of them) and viola, a real running threat team.
I do not see the Fox hate. Please explain exactly what the issue was with the draft? And compare that to recent drafts?
Da Bum - January 15, 2012
Conservative? Predictable? Game planning? Takes little ownership in defeat?
PS. this is not hate..
Boiler etc - January 15, 2012
Conservative is good with a YOUNG team
That is the difference between young teams that win and young teams that get lambasted. Young guys are inconsistent and that inconsistency makes it hard to recover from mistakes. Being conservative has been GOOD for this year. We are not ready for a more open style YET! Give it time. Fox is not going to be McDaniels, but that is not a bad thing.
However, this thread was primarily about the draft and SOS in the draft. The point was that EFX handled a GOOD draft for us in an unusual year (FA was AFTER draft). I am not sure what Conservative and Predictable have to do with a draft. McDaniels was anything but and probably set this team back years.
Da Bum - January 15, 2012
Pats fan here, congrats on the season you guys have had. Can't wait to play rd 3 next
season! Best wishes during the off season.
Vic85 - January 14, 2012
thanks!
I already made a promise to Pats Pulpit I wouldn’t visit whether we won or lost but while I don’t like you guys, this was a classy gesture on your part. I hope the Ravens beat you in the AFC Championship Game!
the new Bradfather - January 14, 2012
don't worry. I went over there. and said kind words.
Zac Man - January 14, 2012
I can vouche for Zac
class all of the way! Good man!
STBadly - January 14, 2012
lol. you weren't here earlier.
Zac Man - January 14, 2012
You replied to one of my comments, lol.
I was watching online and only hazarded visiting the Pulpit towards the end. C’mon man!
STBadly - January 14, 2012
lets just say I was the Von Miller of commentors.
I got a flag or too for personal fouls.
Zac Man - January 14, 2012
The Ravens beat us once in the past 10 years. Don't make any bets.
Vic85 - January 14, 2012
It wont be a 45-10 shelacking
Trapped in O.C. - January 14, 2012
No it won't...
…but I’ll take an ugly 20-17 win too.
tossin - January 14, 2012
Shit, compared to what just happened
I would take an ugly 20-17 loss right now
Trapped in O.C. - January 14, 2012
3 point losses are worse than blow-outs
because it opens up a million “what if’s”, all the things that couldv been slightly different to result in a W. Blow-outs have a sense of finality.
spinz - January 15, 2012
I would've been happy with a 20-17 loss
A blowout gives the appearance that you had no business making it that far.
Horsepower - January 15, 2012
That's cry-baby BS. This team fought hard all year...
to get where they did. They were 4-12 last season. I swear. What happened to the Bronco fans of old? My guess is you weren’t around to watch Steve Ramsey lead this team. Or how about a 55-10 blowout by Montana and company. We beat the reigning AFC Champion to get to the 2nd round of the playoffs. Sorry for the lecture but there are only 2 teams that make the SB and this team is not ready. Be grateful for what they accomplished and quit trying to take those accomplishments away from the team.
JohnCalvinKnox - January 15, 2012
Tell that to the Raider and Charger fans who are lickin' their chops to talk to us
these guys weren’t even alive when Ramsey played in the ’70s.
I’m guessing you don’t live in California.
Horsepower - January 15, 2012
The Raiders and Chargers didn't win the division.
And I tell it to the Raider fans up here every day. They choked. We won the division. We were the better team. see? I win.
JohnCalvinKnox - January 15, 2012
Easy for you to say
you have a coach and a game plan and players to execute it…right now it looks like all we got is schooled.
Mee - January 14, 2012
You are early in the system.
It will take time…..I believe in you guys and I’m a Pats fan! Why can’t you? You beat the evil Stealers!
STBadly - January 14, 2012
'Preciate the kind words, but go away, and let us wallow in our self pity...
I just wanna hurt on this for a while, so i can feel better later…
Trapped in O.C. - January 14, 2012
Will do brah.
No offense intended.
STBadly - January 14, 2012
you've actually helped me calm down a little with your classy comments.
put the world in perspective for me.
Zac Man - January 14, 2012
Not meant in a mean way...
Its just im not really in a mood to be cheered up…
But yes, very classy move. You’re always welcome back
Trapped in O.C. - January 14, 2012
Have you seen Fox's system
I would call more like a disaster than a system. We beat about 1/2 the Steelers.
Mee - January 14, 2012
That's not what it will say in the rcord books
and that’s what the Stealer fans want you to think. You beat them, it’s there, they can’t erase it. Good luck my man, I will leave till at least draft per request…
STBadly - January 14, 2012
Nah
Guys like you are always welcome around here! No need to stay away until the draft….
ncm42 - January 15, 2012
Finally get Defense Coordinator continuity this year...
Haven’t had it since Larry Coyer in the 2003-2006… That should help, plus upgrades at MLB, CB and Safety
CombatChuk - January 14, 2012
and...
defensive line and linebackers and offensive line and running backs and receivers and fullback and tight ends and maybe even quarterback.
Mee - January 14, 2012
How about we replace Colquitt too while we are at it.
Really, you hate every position on our DIVISION WINNING, HOME FIELD ADVANCING team that was 4-12 drafting at #2 last year team? Really?
Da Bum - January 15, 2012
Mee too
This team is many drafts and many 45-10 blowouts away from being competitive with the best in the league. (Fox’s style of coaching also means the Broncos will not be on the winning side of a blowout in forever.) Get used to close wins against bad teams and blowout losses to the elite teams for the next 2-3 years until they fire Fox and bring in another McDaniels type.
John in Castle Rock - January 15, 2012
Might not... Allen on short list of several teams...
Trapped in O.C. - January 14, 2012
not after tonight
mdierk - January 14, 2012
This had more to do with
No talent, old, and injuries than Allen… look what he did with NO… that wont erase so quickly
Trapped in O.C. - January 14, 2012
The actual talent level, atheletic ability that it takes to get to this level is
extremely high. The overall “talent level” difference between teams is small, very small. What can be vastly different is experience and coaching. Denver doesn’t have much of either. Unless they have too much experience (old).
Mee - January 14, 2012
Not buying...
Brady is 50 times the QB that… say… Colt McCoy is.
Cant tell me he is only marginally more talented…
Trapped in O.C. - January 14, 2012
See...
coaching and experience. Yeah there is definitely a difference, Brady is driven!
Mee - January 14, 2012
Im going to put you up against it...
Brady is only marginally more talented than Tebow?
Trapped in O.C. - January 14, 2012
Uhh...
Brady has been in the league how long? And his coach is who? Tebow has been in the league how long, and who is his coach.? If you don’t think that has some bearing, I have some land in Florida for sale…near some water. Not saying Tebow will ever be a Brady, not many are, but his experience and COACHING certainly play a role here.
Mee - January 15, 2012
Looking forward to a great off season after a great run
We need to acquire some veteran leadership and depth to surround this talented young core, but I think we go into next year with most of the tools we need to stay competitive.
broncinoz - January 14, 2012
Hope my comment this early isn't unwelcome...
but I’m a Pats fan, and you guys need to keep your chin up! You guys have a good, competitive team and I see you guys competing for many years in the future! I loved my visit to Denver and my friends out there! Best of luck to you!
STBadly - January 14, 2012
it is acceptable
and thanks, even though you’ve probably been to Denver more times than I have, the Broncos have a regional following, kind of like you guys do in Maine, New Hampshire and Vermont! I’m actually in Utah!
the new Bradfather - January 14, 2012
What part of Utah, if you don't mind me asking?
I know people in AZ, and I had a layover in Utah, which made me curious to visit there…
STBadly - January 14, 2012
I live in Manti, Utah
which is right in the center of the state. I have had dealings in Arizona. I served a Mormon mission in Tucson, as well as El Paso, Texas
the new Bradfather - January 14, 2012
You're in Manti?
I’m in Vegas, but have a lot of family in Mt Pleasant…
ncm42 - January 15, 2012
Sweet!
the new Bradfather - January 15, 2012
who dropped the ball on scouting .rahim moore????
How could one of the highest rated safeties in the draft fall so low…
Bustafluff - January 14, 2012 via mobile
he'll need to move to CB.
Zac Man - January 14, 2012
He's way too slow. He time a 4.62 40. He won't be able to cover anyone with that speed.
BroncoMath101 - January 15, 2012
you said it......
highest rated equals everybody dropped the ball….or else the entire draft sucked.
idahobronc - January 14, 2012
Happens every year.
If the “consensus” were accurate all that often, drafting would be easy.
There are many things you cannot measure about a guy. This size of his desire to succeed and how he competes when the chips are down, or the pressure is on. No college teams have the consistent talent that the NFL teams do. As a result, it is hard to determine how a guy will hold up under a continuous barrage.
The kid is only one year into his career. Maybe there is an injury we do not know about, or a family issue, or something with the coaches, or he hit the rookie wall a little harder than most, or he just needs more time for it to “click” mentally. He was disappointing this year, but only because we had such high expectations. We will see what happens.
Da Bum - January 15, 2012
I personally didnt think he would be that good at all in the draft.
He didn;t seem very physical, and his ball skills weren’t that impressive. Jaquan Jarret was the only safety in the draft (well him and Robert Sands) that I really liked.
Jack'sAxe - January 14, 2012
Great season...
…but that was freakin’ embarrassing. It didn’t look like ANYONE showed up for that game.
leifolson - January 14, 2012
Not a Belichick fan
at all, don’t care for the guy, but pitting Fox against him is like putting Pee Wee Herman in the ring with Sugar Ray Lenard. I wouldn’t show my face in Denver for a long, long time if were a Denver Bronco coach in any capacity. McCoy, it will be a while before he is a head coach and Allen may as well not even show up for his interview. DISGUSTING display of NOTHING!
Mee - January 14, 2012
We blew our proverbial load last weekend.
Simple as that. It was still a fun year. Can’t wait to see what we look like next season. GB2
postpunk27 - January 14, 2012
That's what I think too
Just spent all their emotion in that game, a la the ravens in all those games they lost after big wins
elliottw - January 14, 2012
I blame the Rams for distracting Dennis Allen this week
Zac Man - January 14, 2012
How ironic
is it that both distractions have the same team in common. First McD coming from there to return to N.E. and of course the Allen situation. We were doomed before we ever set foot on the field.
postpunk27 - January 14, 2012
lol quit looking for excuses
Bustafluff - January 14, 2012 via mobile
Bustafluff, why did they run McD out of Denver? That's right, because of a filming
scandal. So, let’s not be selective when we assess the value of inside knowledge.
oorange blood - January 14, 2012
You really believe that?
You don’t think it was the all the losing and the blowout loss to the Raiders that did it? Some little filming scandal?
John in Castle Rock - January 15, 2012
next year will not be any easier
Lol looking at that schedule again… Yikes
Bustafluff - January 14, 2012 via mobile
It's rough beyond a doubt
Broncotodd - January 14, 2012
Anyone else bothered that
Niko Koutivides had a good game?
He lost out to Nate Webster in 2008…
CombatChuk - January 14, 2012
haha
T.Dot_Bronco - January 14, 2012
No. Niko was no. 90 and only played ST.
No. 50 was Rob Ninkovich. A 34 OLB/43 Sam LB.
Revenge of the Fallen - January 14, 2012
LOLOL!!!
That’s so funny!!! I’m sorry, I know you just simply got the name wrong, but I have to laugh at the thought of Niko Koutivedes having a good game against anyone. Rob Ninkovich on the other hand.
PaleHorse78 - January 14, 2012
Really great season
Really looking foward to seeing what this team can do with a full off season of Tebow and Co. together. Hopefully Fox and Dennis Allen will be able find some guys that fit the defense and develop the existing players.
coloradosportsfan55 - January 14, 2012 via mobile
And
screw Donovon McNabb
T.Dot_Bronco - January 14, 2012
My thoughts
The weight of the entire media world on your shoulders. People worship you and people despise you. You get selected way ahead of where people thought have been in the draft. The coach that had faith in you gets fired. A lockout by the owners gives you no chance to learn the new offense and no reps during the summer give you a chance to learn the offense.
The team starts out 1-3. Fans chant your name during each frustrating loss. The starting QB hates your guts because the fans want you in. Most sports analysts laugh at your potential insertion into the offense. Only Denver fans seem to think you have potential at this point.
You get your chance at halftime of a game that is seemingly out of reach and almost bring the team back for a victory. Although, it was the first of many flukes because San Diego was just giving you a prevent look and your efforts were discounted.
Then it starts to get a little strange for everyone; Broncos fans who had faith in you included. You started to win. Ugly wins. Lucky wins. Wins because the other teams were hurt. Wins because the defense carried you. Yet wins nonetheless. First it was your heart. Then it was because you were a great motivational tool for the team. Then to some it was because of divine intervention. To others it was because you ran into weeks of prevent defenses. Yet no one ever mentioned that you might actually have some talent at throwing the ball.
Your coaches didn’t believe. Sometimes your own teammates didn’t believe. You were even mocked in the media, not just sports media, but media in every fashion for your simple prayers after touchdowns and wins and because you always gave glory to God for your efforts. Not because you believed God wanted you to win or the Broncos to beat a certain team. But just because God gave you a body and a mind that would allow you to do what you do. That’s all. You ran fast because God gave you that ability. You ran over tacklers because God gave you that ability. You even kept your composure in momentous situations because God gave you that ability. Your praising Him was never about your own glory and fame, it was thanking Him for giving you that talent to make things happen on the football field.
But not only that, because of your God-given talents, you were able to help those who were less fortunate. You took summers off from college when most would be fishing or partying or even furthering their studies and you went to countries oversees in order to teach them about your faith and to help them spiritually and medically. You went before cameras decided you were worth following. While you also answer prayers and requests from people during this current season. using your newly acquired wealth to bring people in need of a miracle to games in order to make thier lives better just by saying hi and offering them a prayer.
You do these things regardless of the mood you are in. Regardless of your teams success or your individual performance. You do it because helping people is secondary to playing football. You work your tail off at a sport you enjoy and strive to be the best player you can be, not because you enjoy the glory, but because if you throw for 250 yards and a couple touchdowns and your team wins you now have that much more ability with money and your celebrity to help that many more people.
You know it could end at any time. You know your efforts as a spokesman and example of your faith will never end. You are taking advantage of the situation you find yourself in and hope it can go on as long as possible.
Regardless of the miraculous comebacks, the white-hot glare of the media spotlight and the endless speculation of whether you are the second coming of Jesus or a poser who only wants to glorify himself, you plod along without deviating from your goals.
Even though your season ends with a whimper and the NFL world goes out of it’s mind trying arguing if you are good or bad, worthy or an embarrassment, inspiring or a punch-line; I think you don’t really care. Why? Because you don’t even have time to think about it. You are already meeting with another child or adult who is in need of a little bit of inspiration by just hearing a kind word from you and having you toss them a pass or two and telling them to never give up. You will wake up tomorrow, get your work out in, plan how you are going to improve as a football player but then you will put that all aside and head out to do some good.
Not for any reason other than you believe God blessed you with the opportunity to do so and that is the only reason you need. Well, God Bless you Tim. A year ago, I liked you but now I am in awe of you. Your light will never be hidden under a bushel regardless of whether you can throw a 15 yard out or not.
Chris Howerton - January 14, 2012
this
Mee - January 14, 2012
How is this post not green? O_o
Seriously, this was awesome.
Tai - January 14, 2012
cause it's long and were tired. but I rec'd it off your rec.
Zac Man - January 14, 2012
same
Trapped in O.C. - January 14, 2012
I read the end
and rec’d off of your rec of his rec
RichBoysInk - January 14, 2012
Okay folks. It's safe to read now. It's green.
Zac Man - January 14, 2012
if tebow wants to help people great
But I am for separation of church and NFL.
Bustafluff - January 14, 2012 via mobile
I'll rec this
then I’ll wreck Brady’s wife
T.Dot_Bronco - January 14, 2012
she's already been ravaged by horny men
Brady’s only the latest to ride the village bicycle
the new Bradfather - January 14, 2012
source?
Bustafluff - January 14, 2012 via mobile
about half a bottle of Jack Daniels.
Zac Man - January 14, 2012
I am a journalist and I cite my sources
but every now and then you have to use common sense, are any supermodels anywhere virgins? Show me a virgin supermodel, and I’ll show you oceanfront property in Wyoming
the new Bradfather - January 14, 2012
This is the best i could do Father
Zac Man - January 14, 2012
then I got to page 2. Here you go. Virgin Supermodels.
Zac Man - January 14, 2012
looks pretty sleazy!
the new Bradfather - January 14, 2012
atleast you know what it looks like. Now where is this ocean front property?
Zac Man - January 14, 2012
go near the Flaming Gorge
and build a ditch by your house in Rock Springs or Green River, Wyoming :)
the new Bradfather - January 14, 2012
That chick jeter was dating
was supposedly not very slutty, not even giving it up for jeter. Something like that.
But I am sure you ate right about most. And more important than the number of men with brady’s wife is that she dated leo decaprio before him. That had to be tough to put into the past…gilbert grape.
TheMascotArmy - January 16, 2012 via mobile
hey man
a worked in bike is a bike that knows how to please
T.Dot_Bronco - January 14, 2012
So Tim should take Katy Perry up on that date?
Zac Man - January 14, 2012
Overwhelmingly offensive.
JohnCalvinKnox - January 15, 2012
amen
CombatChuk - January 15, 2012
wow. should be a Post. very good words.
Zac Man - January 14, 2012
Thank you for your eloquent post.
cyngato - January 14, 2012
Excellent post Chris. And I did read the whole thing.
’prreciate that.
Boiler etc - January 15, 2012
We can pick apart the details of the loss tonight, or...
just appreciate that this team SUCKED last year. Nice job to get this far!
Great start on a 3 year plan EFX…..might want to take some time on McCoys’s future…..not much creativity there. Last week was great and then we go right back to runball.
Broncotodd - January 14, 2012
4 blowouts to the only good teams they played
how is that not sucking?
Mee - January 14, 2012
compare it to last year
THAT is sucking.
idahobronc - January 14, 2012
don't bother, some people are never going to be satisfied
seventy - January 14, 2012
No 59-14 home losses to the Raiders......
ClarkFan - January 15, 2012
Well Mee
we would have won 9 games in the regular season if Orton didn’t suck, he’s the sole reason we lost to the Titans, that was a stupid comment on my part to match your stupid comment
the new Bradfather - January 14, 2012
Well Brad,
I am not exactly sure where you stand on this but whenever they get blown out it sucks. And they do it more than any other team in the league. Check the point differential. If you don’t think it sucks, fine. I do! Nothing stupid about it…just my point of view. I suppose you enjoy the blowouts.
Mee - January 14, 2012
not really
but does that change the successful season we have. I am a freelance sports statistician and even I know you have to look at the whole picture if they are to be effective. The point differential bothers me sometimes, but it is much greater to look at the things we have accomplished. We were rebuilding and made the playoffs anyway, how’s this for statistics, ever since that fraud Orton was benched, we went 8-5, that’s a winning percentage in the 60s
the new Bradfather - January 14, 2012
Orton won the only reg season game against a winning team
konaphilip - January 15, 2012
Jets, Raiders, and Bears had winning records when the Broncos beat em
Oh, and we beat the 12-4 Steelers in the postseason
Calikula - January 15, 2012
This is Foxball, not McCoy ball.
Boiler etc - January 15, 2012
Now let the REAL offseason begin.
Thank you Broncos for an exciting season to watch.
weazel - January 14, 2012
An optimist is someone...
who could watch that meltdown and look forward to next year. Apparently I ain’t one.
Mee - January 14, 2012
i understand your point of view
Bustafluff - January 14, 2012 via mobile
You extrapolate much from one data point....
charlesnelsonreilly - January 14, 2012
Its been a fun year
Now lets find some great players in the draft and FA and return to the playoffs next year
trumanj - January 14, 2012
2012 here we come
Wow was at the game that was embarrassing Brady is just absolutely incredible. Just starting to feel my limbs now
KansasBronco - January 14, 2012 via mobile
I hope you at least like the Pats a little or
that had to be one bitter situation to be in. Sounds like at least you appreciate Brady. Like him or not he surgically removed all testicles on the visiting team.
Mee - January 14, 2012
With a tougher schedule ahead, I'm not as optimistic as you
Hopefully, we’re not the 2010 Chiefs.
Horsepower - January 15, 2012
We had a "tough" schedule this year
Thats why they play the games. And the 2010 Chiefs didnt do too bad either.
Calikula - January 15, 2012
I'm looking forward to next year and see how this team will improve.
Also, aren’t we switching to orange unis next year?
moondoggie12 - January 14, 2012
yep.
Zac Man - January 14, 2012
Another pats fan here.
Its hard for me to say Good Game, because I know you guys didn’t see a good game from the Broncos, and it seems like I am mocking the fanbase…. You guys have a talented team, and coming from a half raider fan, that should be the highest compliment. John Fox is a great coach. An excellent pick up. No doubt you guys will help make the AFC West division much stronger next year. D. Thomas looks very talented, and for Tebow’s first string of starts of the year, he did pretty well, and will probably develop his arm next year too. Not to mention he is a bonafide leader, which is extremely important in a QB. You guys have a bright future.
So cheers from a Pats fan, and while I would rather the Raiders face the Pats next year in the playoffs (assuming the pats make it, which I am sure of), I am definitely looking forward to our next Bronco-Patriot matchup.
Jack'sAxe - January 14, 2012
thanks
but how can someone be a Raiders/Pats fan? Darryll Stingley and Jack Tatum? The tuck rule?
the new Bradfather - January 14, 2012
My Dad (pats fan) and step dad (raider fans).
I respect the hell out of both of them. And grew up rooting for both teams.
Jack'sAxe - January 14, 2012
I am interested in
how you could have possibly watched that game and then call Fox a great coach?
Mee - January 14, 2012
He is coaching agianst the best of the best.
and the pats had an extra week to scheme against you guys. Fox just got out coached. He is a fine coach for you guys. imho
Jack'sAxe - January 14, 2012
HAHAHAHA
Kidding right?
Like the Pats expected us to win and were scheming specifically against us for a whole extra week????
Trapped in O.C. - January 14, 2012
I was very scared before the game. lol
And that is the truth. But you guys know your coach much more than I do. But I think he did fine with what he have.
Jack'sAxe - January 14, 2012
I think he wasn't drastic enough...
You don’t stop brady, you need to hang with him…
45-10 hurts alot more when you couldn’t even run in the early going
Trapped in O.C. - January 14, 2012
yeah Im sure.....
Jack'sAxe - January 14, 2012
I see...
you want Fox to continue coaching the one team that has had the Pats number in recent years, I think I see where that is going. Good one.
Mee - January 14, 2012
Yes, Fox did get outcoached.
He’s fine for us?
Boiler etc - January 15, 2012
He's just a placeholder
He was brought in to right the mess McDaniels left, which if you compare this year to last, he’s done an outstanding job. Dennis Allen will be the Broncos next coach
Calikula - January 15, 2012
I think the Patriots would love to play
all 16 regular season games next year against the Broncos.
John in Castle Rock - January 15, 2012
I would have had no problem giving credit to the Patriots
Then they go and have Brady punt the ball on 3rd down. Just finish the game out. Don’t use your QB in a stupid stunt. They have a really good team, but why did they need to do that?
KTJ - January 14, 2012
Completely agree with this...
Trapped in O.C. - January 14, 2012
They did that
because it catches your defense, who was set to blitz the hell out of the OL, off-guard and the pats defense can get great field position because you had no one back there.
Jack'sAxe - January 14, 2012
It was 45-10
Why the hell would field position matter at that point in the game? Just run out the clock.
KTJ - January 14, 2012
He kicked it, and then YOU guys can run out the clock and maybe get a score.
Either way, the clock will run out. Its called a quick kick. You catch the opposing defense off guard, in order to gain field position. its a strategic move, and the situation (being up 45-10, and that you were about to all out blitz Brady) called for it.
Jack'sAxe - January 14, 2012
Really?
Field position matters in the last 3 minutes of a game when your up 5 touchdowns? Good to know.
And like I said below, just call a run play and have your PUNTER punt the ball. It’s not that hard. There’s no need to have your QB punt the ball.
KTJ - January 14, 2012
Why even bother risking an injury no less?
Holy crap the saved ONE play. get over it man, they punted it on 3rd down. SO FREAKIN WHAT. You guys got the ball back. they didn’t do it to say “You guys can’t even stop us. lolololololol.” They did it because A) it catches you off guard, B) you guys were about to blitz the hell out of Brady which can be an unforseen injury for someone, C) Its called a quick kick, and many teams have done it before. But when the pats do it, all of a sudden it’s classless? Give me abreak man.
Jack'sAxe - January 14, 2012
I didn’t say any of that. I said when they were up 45-10 it’s not necessary. I’m not saying it’s not a good, strategic move. And for the record, I hated how we started the fight at the end of the game. Guess it cancels out the punt.
Whatever. Better team won.
KTJ - January 14, 2012
And running the ball is?
Your not making any sense.
Jack'sAxe - January 14, 2012
This is so stupid...
Run a draw to protect Brady from the blitz.
Could be a good play if its in that area and the game is close and they are making it seem like they are going for it, and then punt over our rush, and etc. etc.
When and how they did it was stupid, and unnecessary… And classless
No strategic value
Trapped in O.C. - January 14, 2012
run the ball and risk injury for the RB or one of our OL?
If they make the first down, you would call them classless. Either way, t seems the pats don’t win the whole “classless” battle from anyone.
They punted it on 3rd down. And you guys got the ball back. I don’t understand how that is classless.
But yeah, if they get the first down by running it, you would still be up in arms. You guys got the ball back, and you can run the clock out, or try and get more points. I don’t understand what is so classless about this.
Jack'sAxe - January 14, 2012
the game was already over.
No need for the pats to run the ball, or throw it. There is just no need. No need to risk injury or get any yards or points. Catch the defense off guard by quick kicking it, and just let the game ride down.
Jack'sAxe - January 14, 2012
Then kneel it...
It flies in the face of conventional wisdom… 3rd down represented 40 seconds of game clock or a timeout…
strategy would dictate that you make the opponent either eat the clock or burn the timeout… Not save them both! Do you watch football at all?
A kneel down is the perfect strategical play there… no risk of injury, move the clock make them take the time out, max cover punt. Its literally been done that way for decades…
But the pats are special… they get to do whatever they want…
Trapped in O.C. - January 14, 2012
and thats what pisses me off about it
Trapped in O.C. - January 14, 2012
They get to do whatever they want?
When they hire McDaniels before the Broncos-Pitt game, the media and the LEAGUE jumps ALL over it, even though this has been done plenty of times in the past. But when the PATS do it, “oh hold on a sec the pats just did this, we need to put a stop to it.” Not to mention people, and even professional WRITERS saying the pats cheated. Whatever the pats do? Gets scrutinized by everyone else.
Now about the kneeling thing. Again, what is the big difference here? Instead of kneeling it, he punts the ball. Kneeling it would run the clock down, and punting the ball did the same thing (only it probably ran MORE of the clock down considering it was a punt) and you guys get the ball back. Thats the only difference. You guys getting the ball back.
I fail to see how “classless” that is.
Jack'sAxe - January 14, 2012
a lot of the time
perception is reality and Belichick, reclusive as he is, often does not get the benefit of the doubt from the MSM
the new Bradfather - January 14, 2012
Its not classless....
Pats dont need to step aside for anyone. Again, Elway punted several times. Nothing wrong with it.
charlesnelsonreilly - January 14, 2012
Yep.
Jack'sAxe - January 14, 2012
Um, I usually am of the opinion that the Pats' run up the score etc BUT
Did anyone else notice that down near our goalline up 42-10 they ran three straight times? Brady could easily gone for the record and thrown #7 but they didn’t. not only that, after that last FG they did nothing but run the ball. Come on guys its fine to be mad at the outcome, but quite honestly that could have been in the 60’s. So for once, don’t go and blame the other team for ‘doing us wrong’ because that wasn’t the case. We got beat, and it could have been much worse but wasn’t. Don’t go around making stupid accusations like this!
Bronco Mike - January 15, 2012
Thanks Bronco Mike.
And yeah good point about running it 3 strait times.
Jack'sAxe - January 15, 2012
this is like saying that throwing 50 yrd bombs while way up way late
isn’t classless because lots of QBs air it out all the time… Its situation dependent
Its not the fact the Brady punted thats classless, its when he punted…
Read a M’Fn convo before butting in…
Trapped in O.C. - January 14, 2012
Im pretty sure Elway punted it late in the game as well. Im not positive, but im sure he did.
And now its a question of WHEN? The game was over, he gave the ball to your offense instead of continuing the drive (if its a matter of when and not brady actually punting…..).
And I guess that is classless….?
Jack'sAxe - January 14, 2012
Dude, how thick are you...
This is my last word, and im going to try to sum it up quick because we both have better things to do.
You are obviously very classy, and have a deep love for your team, same as me, so i can respect that…
The reason i am upset is because i have the warrior ethos, and the only things worth having are those you have to work for…
I wanted Brady to treat 3rd and 10 as if it mattered. Try to pick up the 1st, try to run the clock, try to utilize that down to better your chance of winning… Out of respect for the Broncos, and the sanctity of the game, you should play every down as if it matters. The Pats wasted a down.
Thats why im upset. I feel disrespected by that punt because the defense didnt deserve to get off the field.
I’m sure thats why Von took his cheap shot, he knew that he should be playing that down for real, not a gimmick punt.
Im man enough to admit when my team is classless… See tweet made right after that play/fight… i would hope that someone like you would be able to as well, and not blindly defend it based on “strategy” and “smarts”
Trapped in O.C. - January 14, 2012
They already won. There was no point.
And I understand what your feeling. Trust me. But i think we all know that the game was over, and the defense gave it there all. One down won’t make a difference.
Jack'sAxe - January 14, 2012
Nevermind...
You keep trying to bash me over the head with the same reasons why it was clearly the best possible play to call in that situation….
As if QBs have never been blitzed on 3rd and 10, or as if it isn’t football, the most violent game in america, and as if the kicking game isn’t the most dangerous aspect of the whole sport (new kick-off rule changes)…
Keep living in La La Land, and keep getting spoiled, and brace for the fall, because life without Brady is going to be very difficult, just like life without Elway/Marino/Simms/Kelly/Manning…
In your mind Belicheck is the greatest strategical coach, and all his decisions are right (going for it on 4th vs. Indy), when all i see is a pompous ass.
Trapped in O.C. - January 14, 2012
Shrug
PM had taken that defense for two consecutive td drives. That D couldn’t even stop the worst offense from scoring again.
Also, they had previously gone for it on a 4th and 1 vs the Falcons in 2009 in their own 28.
Revenge of the Fallen - January 14, 2012
My point exactly...
I can’t remember the last time i went to an opponents blog, and trolled around, then again, i wouldn’t put it past a Pats fan…
Let me guess… Fan since ’01?
Trapped in O.C. - January 14, 2012
Meh.
Revenge of the Fallen - January 14, 2012
LOL
You’re alright…
Trapped in O.C. - January 14, 2012
Ive been a fan since 06 if that means anything.
And thats because I didnt get into football until I was….. 15.
Jack'sAxe - January 14, 2012
Yeah, it means your a bandwagon fan
I’d like to see how much of a fan you are when the Pats start to suck again. This explains why you claim to be a Raiders fan also
Calikula - January 15, 2012
If I wasn't interested in football when the pats were winning the 3 superbowls
I highly doubt I am a bandwagon fan. sorry I’m a victim of being young. I wasn’t born in the 80’s where I could watch the 90’s pats. I wasn’t interested in football until 2006, 2 years after the pats won their last superboal. I began rooting for the Raiders around the same time, and they were having losing seasons.
Don’t call me a damn bandwagon fan.
Jack'sAxe - January 15, 2012
Yeah thats a bandwagon fan
You have to root for a winner. So you hedge your bets by cheering on the Pats, while cheering on the Raiders who have sucked since forever. If you’re a fan once the pats head back to mediocrity, then I’ll give you some credit, but until then, dont come around saying “my team” about the Raiders or the Pats. I have respect for real Raiders fans, they’ve stuck around for all the years of shittyness without having to resort to cheering for the damn Patsies.
Calikula - January 15, 2012
I was fucking YOUNG and wasn't previously interested in football!!!
When the pats were in the 01 superbowl, I remember the cartoons. I wasn’t even particularly interested in the 03 and 04 superbowls. I don’t need to take this shit from you. This is fucking histerical. I have been loyal to both teams through good and bad times. I was 15 fucking years old (2006) when I became interested in football. How the fuck am I supposed to root for a pats team that has been loosing at the time?
And then, I rooted for the Raiders in their loosing seasons. This is also funny, as you say that I am a bandwagon fan of them too, despite me rooting for them during their horrible seasons. I stuck through fucking Russel!
I root for both teams because my dad is a pats fan, and my step dad is a Raiders fan, and I have tremendous respect for both of them. Through them, I began rooting for both teams.
Calikula, Im sorry to say but you are dead wrong. I plan on sticking by both teams until I die. Im sorry if I was born to fucking early to get your fucking praise, but I can’t help it. People like you need to stop being ignorant assholes, and accept that their are YOUNG fans out there who have not had the luxury of liking one or two teams who have been loosing. Sorry.
Jack'sAxe - January 15, 2012
haha nice rage post
way to lose your cool. I can tell you’re young.
Calikula - January 15, 2012
I raged because you are accusing me of being a bandwagon fan.
Well… it was a dry rage…. not spewed with anger more than frustration…
Jack'sAxe - January 15, 2012
Sure it was. Hence all your F bombs
You lost your cool. Go prove your loyalty to whatever flavor of the week team you follow, I have a sneaky suspicion you’re more of a Bronco hater than fans of these teams, given that both of these teams have intense rivalries with the Broncos and they have given them fits for the past couple of years
Calikula - January 15, 2012
I do sort of hate you guys.
But at the same time I am not a Bronco hater. I find it hard to hate on anyone. I know you will immediately say that because i don’t REALLY hate you that I’m not a real Raider fan. You can say that if you like, although it will be very untrue again. Im following the Raiders still too. I heard they were interviewing Tedd Bowls, who used to be associated with McKenzie. I personally don’t like it, but I don’t expect them to make a move till after the playoffs.
In any case, its hard for me to hate anyone. I have a good reputation on the Jets blog, Chiefs blog, miami and bills blog, and this blog. I don’t go to the Chargers blog. I feel like they can be a bunch of pricks but ah well. I’ll visit at some point.
And fine, I lost my cool for a bit. I was out of frustration though. That part is true.
Jack'sAxe - January 15, 2012
Well why come to a
Broncos board then? Go scream on the Faders or the Patsies boards. Cuz we could care less about either of those two teams :)
Disturbed70 - January 15, 2012
why even give him the time of day?
Boiler etc - January 15, 2012
This is funny
I can see him just shaking at his keyboard. Man, between this guy and Raider way this is making me feel much better about last night
Calikula - January 15, 2012
0.o
Im not shaking…..
Your accusing me of being a bandwagon fan, and I am defending myself because that statement is 100% untrue. Unless you are trolling…..
Jack'sAxe - January 15, 2012
Im trolling?
Im right at home here at MHR. You’re the one in our house, remember?
Calikula - January 15, 2012
Okay fine. Fair point.
Jack'sAxe - January 15, 2012
The only troll is you
your on a BRONCOS board dude….if ya cant handle it …GET LOST LMAO
Disturbed70 - January 15, 2012
How am I trolling?
Cal accused me of being a bandwagon fan. I think I have a right to defend myself. 0.o
Jack'sAxe - January 15, 2012
the only reason your here is to rub in the Pats win
or talk about one of our rivals then you should expect hostility. Quit your crying or leave. Simple. We dont care about the Pats we dont care about the Faders. I personally dont care about you OR your opinion. This is a BRONCOS board. Talk broncos or don’t talk at all :)
Disturbed70 - January 15, 2012
I came here
and I read that someone called me a bandwagon fan. I didn’t come here to rub in the pats win. I came here to check if anyone responded to my post about the Brady punt thing (and instead I found a response on calling me a bandwagon fan).
So you have a completely misconception of why I am here. Again, not here to troll.
Jack'sAxe - January 15, 2012
I called you a bandwagon fan
because you come on before Raider games or before Pats games claiming both as “your teams.” You cant have it one way or the other. Claim one single team and say the other is your 2nd fav, but dont say my team for both. For example, I like the Texans for their ties to the Broncos, and their TE graduated from my HS, but I LOVE the Broncos. Hence, the Broncos are “my team.” I will never get on an Indy board and claim the Texans are “my team” and then get on the same board before a Broncos/ Colts game and say the Broncos are “my team.” To me, that screams bandwagon fan because youre claiming one team and then another. It looks worse when one team has sucked for forever and a day and the other has been awesome for over a decade
Calikula - January 15, 2012
Im sorry but I can't do that.
I am tied to both teams equally and strongly. I know people like you cannot understand. I have told why, but I know that can’t be enough for you guys. I have defended this notion for years, and even Raider fans have accepted this. They know that I am loyal to the Raiders, as I am loyal to the Pats. It is the way it is.
Jack'sAxe - January 15, 2012
Nope. All of that is extremely untrue.
Except when Brady does leave, I am sure we will be seeing some years that are not as good (although having Mallet and Hoyer is very promising). I am not spoiled, and I am aware of many fans that cry from a win that was like 20-17, and I shake my heads at them. I dont think BB is the greatest strategist ever, but he is damn good. I thought going for it on 4th down vs. indy was horrible.
Now, The game was over. there was nothing to prove. It was just a punt. Thats all it was. No form of disrespect there. Just doing it because the game was over, and there was no point in trying to drive down the field. No point in running the ball, or throwing it or trying to get the first. There was no need. It was a punt with 1 minute left, and thats all it was.
Jack'sAxe - January 14, 2012
convo was too long, and I am lazy.
So I will not read it. My apologies are effusive and sincere……(sheesh)
charlesnelsonreilly - January 14, 2012
+1
The Pats didn’t need to stop doing anything. Brady could have thrown a touchdown there to Gronk if that’s what you would’ve wanted…..nothing wrong with the punt
Idaho Nate - January 14, 2012
It didn't run more clock you dolt...
The clock stops when the ball is whistled dead after a punt…
As for the Pats cheating my hiring McD thing, i personally, on this thread, said it had no effect.
Do i think its fair that McD gets to contend still even after losing out with the Rams? Ya, i do. And the league is gonna ban that sleezy trash this year.
Trapped in O.C. - January 14, 2012
Yeah after it. But okay your right. Punt did not run the clock out more.
And I know the league will ban it, simply because the pats did it, and everyone is howling about it.
I fail to see how "classless" that is.
Jack'sAxe - January 14, 2012
We didn't want the ball back...
We wanted to keep fighting to the last whistle…
we didn’t need the ball back a down early…
Its about honor and respect for your opponent… things Brady and Beli obviously know not of…
Which is the whole point i’m making. Respect us enough to not make it about a stupid gimmick, and ill respect you enough to not call you classless
Trapped in O.C. - January 14, 2012
But when they continue to score, coaches and players and writers ALL complain that they are running up the score, and are being classless. lol
It was one down early. “Oh god they are classless….” They gave you guys the ball, and you can still keep fighting. They didnt punt it to say “you guys cant stop us, so we are just going to punt the ball.” They punted it because:
And D) They are done with the offensive possessions. You said you wanted the defense to keep fighting. Why? I mean I understand but the pats were just running the football. the game is OVER. There is nothing to prove for your defense, or our offense. Nothing. It was an early punt. Thats all it was. If thats really being classless to you that[s really just nitpicking if anything. Classless is when we are going all out throwing the ball and scoring more points with 1 minute left in the game. Not punting early.
Jack'sAxe - January 14, 2012
WOAH, righ there Jack’sAxe. A team has NEVER hired a coach off of an eliminated team’s staff during a playoff run, let alone their opponents head coach. I guarantee you that move is made illegal before next year’s playoffs.
YouAreSignedIn - January 15, 2012
*former head coach
YouAreSignedIn - January 15, 2012
I'm sure it will be, and that move has been done before. Im sure of it.
The pats hired McD before your game against the steelers. They hired him because he had experience as the pats OC, and that O’’Brien will be leaving. Keep in mind that this is completely legal now, and now they will change it because the league whined about it when the pats happen to do it.
Jack'sAxe - January 15, 2012
Kneel!??!?!
It wasn’t the end of the game. Unless the Broncos decided to kneel too, it’s ridiculous to expect the Pats to do that. Has any team in NFL history ever kneeled before going to the end of a half?
tossin - January 14, 2012
His point was they punted so as to avoid injury....
So kneel if thats the motive…
Did you actually read the convo, or just let your moutharrhea take over?
Trapped in O.C. - January 14, 2012
Thats just a thing to consider.
My point was that punting the ball on 3rd down means nothing with 1 minute (?) left in the game.
Jack'sAxe - January 14, 2012
Dude, you're still around?
Isn’t it past your bed time?
Trapped in O.C. - January 15, 2012
What kind of insult is that? lol
And yes I am around still. And I’m 20 years old. I think I don’t have a set time to go to bed. Besides… I drank a lot of root beer….
Jack'sAxe - January 15, 2012
Oh look at this.....
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d826026ef/article/belichick-marches-to-beat-of-own-drum-in-blowout-of-broncos?module=HP11_content_stream
Herndo gets banged up, it was 45-10, and yeah im sure the risk on injuring their RB or OL was factor in on the punt. There was no need to run it anymore, or even get any more yards. Game was over. I know some of you would dub it classless because you wanted your defense to get the stop. But with that late in the game, how much of that would even matter? BB seemed to want to take the health of his players, and take into consideration that the game was about to end, over some meaningless defensive stop.
Jack'sAxe - January 15, 2012
No matter what the pats do
they get drilled for it. Every time.
Jack'sAxe - January 15, 2012
Back to the original point
Then why do it? The situation didn’t call for it.
KTJ - January 15, 2012
Already went around this.
Read back at my posts, and you should figure it out.
Jack'sAxe - January 15, 2012
DUde
I can imagine having this same conversation with someone who wouldn’t like the idea the Pats decided to keep scoring. “The situation didn’t call for Brady to be in the game in the 4th and still flinging it”.
I can’t necessarily call you wrong, but your viewpoint proves the Pats’ fans right considering the issue the general football public has had with the Pats in the first place. We really can’t win. I talked to a lotta fellas who talk as if they’d be just fine with the Pats punting on early downs. At some point, why should we care? IT’s already been explained and you say the situation “didn’t call for it”. Anyone could say that about an alternate play.
Tai - January 15, 2012
Lose/Lose...
…if Brady’s pulled, some argue that the Patriots aren’t taking the other team seriously (and Brady doesn’t want to leave the field. Neither does Tebow.). If he stays, then there’s questions about why he’s going through unnecessary risk.
If they throw up 5 scores in the 4th, it’s running up the score. If they run, that’s fine, although that’s still not taking the game seriously enough for some and they might as well kneel (although when is it acceptable for a team to kneel?).
My argument: The Patriots have not put together a full 60 minute performance all season. That’s indisputable. Not once did they put a team away early and not allow them to find life at the end of the game. They needed a complete game for themselves and for the sake of their competitive spirits. If that involves punting on 3rd down, so be it. It’s part of their tool kit of plays they have utilized in real game experiences against an extremely high quality team in the playoffs.
I feel like there’s little the Patriots could have done without having some party skew their actions as being classless. Can’t throw it, can’t kneel it, can run it but that’s clearly phoning it in, so with the game in hand, I don’t think it really mattered. Both teams threw in the towel midway through the 3rd quarter.
Was the punt necessary? No. Wasn’t it a sign of disrespect to the Broncos? I don’t think so either.
Richard Hill - January 15, 2012
They did not play 60 mins. Like Branch said, they played good 45 mins till the 4th qtr.
Revenge of the Fallen - January 15, 2012
alot of teams and coaches
like to use the “play for 60 minutes” phrase as rhetoric. When bellicheck says it, hes not kidding.
spinz - January 15, 2012
I just thought it was funny
they punted on 3rd down, is this the CFL :)
the new Bradfather - January 14, 2012
The Pats took a timeout
Cause they saw the blitz I don’t see the big deal. And you have to admit, that was a solid punt from Brady.
Tai - January 14, 2012
we will see you next year... if shit hits the fan so be it
Joshua Glover - January 14, 2012
The Broncos did that several times with Elway as QB
Lower risk of injury than a normal punt, since there aren’t guys running into each other at full speed. And if you are just going to give up the 3rd down play, why not get rid of the ball and gain some field position?
ClarkFan - January 15, 2012
Elway had 7 punts in his career for a 36 yd average....
They do it to save Brady from getting blitzed on a third down. Seemed like a smart play to me.
charlesnelsonreilly - January 14, 2012
up the gut and punt then....
Just like every other team in the league…
Trapped in O.C. - January 14, 2012
If they’re really scared for Brady, just run it, or better yet, take him out!
KTJ - January 14, 2012
That would risk more injury for our patriot players too.
What is so wrong with the punt? Its a damn punt that gives you guys the ball. What is so classless about that? You can still run the clock out or get a score.
Jack'sAxe - January 14, 2012
It's just stupid
What if Tom had pulled a leg muscle when he kicked the ball?
KTJ - January 14, 2012
the ref would throw a falg on his trainer for not making him stretch
Zac Man - January 14, 2012
Or the ref would penalize Brady for roughing the kicker. 15 yards and a first down.
emd2k3 - January 15, 2012
I don't think that is as likely as
a pats OL getting injured, or our RB getting injured.
Jack'sAxe - January 14, 2012
I'd rather he punts then scores again.
Zac Man - January 14, 2012
I'd rather they just play instead of pulling stupid stunts
KTJ - January 14, 2012
same can be said about our option crap
Zac Man - January 14, 2012
Not really
It’s not something we pull out in the last 3 minutes of a game. It’s a part of our offense.
KTJ - January 14, 2012
haha you guys dont show up til you win... RAY murdered someone already lol
Joshua Glover - January 14, 2012
Wait what?
KTJ - January 15, 2012
Its called coaching and
going for the jugular rather than trying to run the clock and hope they don’t catch you like some coaches.
Mee - January 14, 2012
Anyone think McD had an influence on the Pats' game plan?
The Pats schemed us just about perfectly. Belichick is good, but not usually perfect.
oorange blood - January 14, 2012
Not hard to be perfect against our safety devoid group...
They ran a 3-4 when mcd was here…
Completely dif teams…
Trapped in O.C. - January 14, 2012
I'm assuming McD had more impact with respect to McCoy's offense
oorange blood - January 14, 2012
Offense if different too
Nothing McD gives them they couldnt have gotten from tape anyways.
Move planned before Broncos advanced…
No conspiracy, just bad game
Trapped in O.C. - January 14, 2012
True. The broncos weren't running an option attack based offense.
Though I will say it’s time to put the option attack aside and go more pro set.
tiderfootball09 - January 14, 2012
McD had little to no influence.
charlesnelsonreilly - January 14, 2012
that seems like a comfy, pat answer, though I’m not expecting you to do any more. There’s little to do but speculate.
Coming into the game, the Pats’ D was thought to be on the weak side. Tonight they were suffocating. Just sayin’.
oorange blood - January 14, 2012
Thanks for keeping the expectations low, my wife does too.....
The Pats D was a decent scoring D, not great on yards. I would say we ran well when we stayed away from the option. I would argue that our defensive ineptitude set the stage for the offensive woes. That is the primary issue, not McD. Is that better?
charlesnelsonreilly - January 14, 2012
you're first was fine, but your 2d was better, yes
I don’t disagree. I also try to look for things that would have made a difference.
Why, did you know the Broncos had the SB stolen from them against the Giants. Yes. Elway hit Clarance Kay on 3rd-and-long, but the refs called it incomplete. Our drive was stopped and we gave up points right before a long half. People can laugh, but momentum killers like that matter.
By no means do I mean to suggest that the Pats didn’t totally smoke the Broncos. Hats off to them.
oorange blood - January 14, 2012
McD knows 0 about the 2011 Broncos, so, no....
ClarkFan - January 15, 2012
Just skimmed through the 4th quarter thread..
Can’t believe those of you blaming Von Miller for the fight.
He took his frustration out in a legal play that took place during live action. Anyone remember Warren Sapp?
The main culprit in that fight was Patrick Chung, one of the dirtiest players in the league. The same guy who already had one called PF during the game, and should have had another for a late hit.
Congrats to NE, hope they win it all.
Hobnail_Boot - January 14, 2012
During live action? Nah....Way late in the play
I love Von, but hate cheap shots even when frustrated.
idahobronc - January 14, 2012
Agree to disagree..
They’re throwing the ball up 35 points and pooch punting, but they had a problem with Miller playing to the whistle?
Hobnail_Boot - January 14, 2012
Block in the back?
Either way it was slightly dirty…
Trapped in O.C. - January 14, 2012
It is called staying agressive and
keeping the pedal on the metal. Fox can’t even find the friggin pedal!
Mee - January 14, 2012
This is the playoffs…pooch punting is bad sportsmanship now? C’mon.
tossin - January 14, 2012
As opposed to your LG or RG stomping players on the ground?
LOL at Chung being the dirtiest player in the NFL.
Revenge of the Fallen - January 14, 2012
Zane's play was dirty
And I was incredibly disappointed in him for doing it, but Chung is a dirty player. You wanna talk about classless? How much class does it take to hit someone way out of bounds when you’re up by 35 points? I would bet that played into the frustration late in the game by Von. Von’s play wasn’t dirty by the way, it was unnecessary but give me a break, I’ve seen people get hit harder than that in Soccer games.
UTBroncofan - January 14, 2012
Chung's hit was illegal but it was within the white area where the line and the sidelines meet.
He should be fined but that doesn’t mean he is a dirty player.
As for Von, even your own ex players-Mark S thought it was cheap.
Revenge of the Fallen - January 14, 2012
Stink was the dirtiest, and the cheapest....
He is a fool who got exactly what he wanted from DEN and routinely plants the knife in their backs…
Typical media… cant be trusted…
Trapped in O.C. - January 14, 2012
I actually think the peeing thing was hilarious and a good idea. Some opposing players might not want engage him during plays. It’s nasty though.
Revenge of the Fallen - January 15, 2012
If you ever watched stink play
it was on more than one occasion, and more than just #1…if ya get my drift….that brown streak on his pants wasn’t dirt. LMAO
Disturbed70 - January 15, 2012
and honestly the difference between then and now
is that its now coming out of his mouth instead of the other end!
Disturbed70 - January 15, 2012
wtf...
Revenge of the Fallen - January 15, 2012
See you guys next year...
..Brady was in the zone tonight.
JDot - January 14, 2012
That was not to be a cocky post..
..You guys are young and have a great team. But key word on young..
Really like your team.
JDot - January 14, 2012
Good year...
Now we need to add Defense…and get Tebow some reps and training with Elway. Where can we find a true leader on defense like Dawkins who is young and who can play MLB and direct the effort over there on that side of the ball.
Overall it was a good loss for the coaches to evaluate the team and see where the glaring hopes are on both sides of the ball. Let’s have a great offseason and get back to the SUperbowl next year and build off this year’s success and momentum.
Brazenwood - January 14, 2012
+1
oorange blood - January 14, 2012
good loss...
is that an oxymoron?
Mee - January 14, 2012
Not a good loss, if these were my Raiders I would be pissed that all respectability gained was lost.
Why lost? Because you were not even in the game. Shows us we are too far.
Losing a heartbreaker at least gives you comfort that you were almost there… but this is not the case…
It makes it look like beating the Steelers was just a fluke as they looked down upon you, and paid the price.
Not trying to be a troll, just realistic as I would’ve been.
Well, see you guys next year. Good luck.
JaggerJaw - January 14, 2012
As a Raider fan I think you would have more serious issues to contemplate....
charlesnelsonreilly - January 14, 2012
Why not?
They don’t have a draft to worry about
Trapped in O.C. - January 14, 2012
It's all about the coaching... look at the Niners.... Did a strong draft last year suddenly make them a contender?
Nop.
JaggerJaw - January 14, 2012
I know
you’re not talking about coaching…
the new Bradfather - January 14, 2012
Will say though brad
that there is still free agency. And free agency is strong this year.
Jack'sAxe - January 14, 2012
that is true in theory
but if your Pats have taught you anything, the draft is paramount, Gronk/Hernandez/Wilfork, etc. those guys came from drafting. Welker was a free agent prize, I’ll give you that but you know what I’m saying
the new Bradfather - January 14, 2012
Welker was a trade, technically.
Carter and Anderson came in through FA and revolutionized the D-line, however. Bodden was basically our only decent guy in the secondary in 2009, too. Then there’s guys like Rob Ninkovich who nobody sees coming.
Ben Buchanan - January 14, 2012
Yep.
Jack'sAxe - January 14, 2012
He wasn't a free agent. We got him through trade.
But how was Jabar Gaffney when he was in denver?
I just want to say, that drafting people is great and all, but free agents are also important pieces to a young team (which the Raiders are a young team). Hell the pats got Alge Crumpler and he was very important for us in 2010. how was Dawkins when he was healthy with you guys?
Jack'sAxe - January 14, 2012
Oh sure
Gaffney was fine, McGahee is good, for how much longer I don’t know…. however, the Broncos have been burned by the likes of Dale Carter and Daryl Gardner :(
the new Bradfather - January 14, 2012
In the NFL, the draft is primary.
Show me a team that has gone deep in the playoffs and was also built on FA’s
charlesnelsonreilly - January 14, 2012
KC last year.
Got Thomas Jones, that middle linebacker, as well as other guys. Eric Berry was a great pickup, but there were free agents that were key for them last year.
Jack'sAxe - January 14, 2012
oh wait you said deep....
Jack'sAxe - January 14, 2012
Well I can definitely say that
its only one damn year for the raiders not to have a first or a second (they could get a 3rd round Comp. pick from nnam).
But their team is young enough, and has young talent that getting a few free agents is just fine.
Jack'sAxe - January 14, 2012
I would assume you would also argue for FA's actually making a team good....
charlesnelsonreilly - January 14, 2012
Thomas Jones was important for KC
as well as…. Derrick Brooks? I think thats his name. He has been an impact player for them.
Jack'sAxe - January 14, 2012
Teams consistently over pay for free agents
Because its past performance based…
Most under-perform, and actually end up hurting the team…
Trapped in O.C. - January 14, 2012
And rookies don't get over paid?
lolololol No they won’t of course.
However, not all free agents get over paid, and big pickups normally do well to earn their paychecks. Anderson and Carter for the pats have been HUGE pickups for us, and we didnt over pay at all.
Jack'sAxe - January 14, 2012
given the cap on rookie pay....
seems like draft picks are even more bang for buck now.
charlesnelsonreilly - January 14, 2012
yep.
but with a young team like the Raiders, getting a couple free agents and a HC and DC is really all they need to tell the truth. In this sense, I dont think a 1st round pick will hurt them that much, although its nice to have.
Jack'sAxe - January 14, 2012
Is that all they need?
Wow, Superbowl or bust for them next year huh?
Trapped in O.C. - January 14, 2012
Nope. Just competing for the playoffs.
Their offense is potentially going to be explosive, with D. Moore, Ford, and DHb at WR, and McFadden at RB. Too bad Moore and Ford were both hurt for some of the season last year, and mcfadden practically the whole season.
We need to cut down on penalties, and get a better DC. Getting a free agent or two for defense is really all that we need. coaching has to take care of the rest.
Jack'sAxe - January 14, 2012
McFadden is hurt every year
and they just went through another coaching change. Also, pick a damn team already. Oh right, the Raiders have sucked for so long that you gotta be a bandwagon Pats fan too.
Calikula - January 15, 2012
McFadden usually get hurt for 3 games.
He should be healthier next year because… well he was off for over 6 weeks last season.
Jack'sAxe - January 15, 2012
Like I said in another thread
A Knoshown Moreno with talent. Made of glass
Calikula - January 15, 2012
Maybe.
We’ll have to see next year. He normally stays healthy except for 3-4 games. Im fine with that. His career year he missed 3 games. I think McFadden will be fine next season.
Jack'sAxe - January 15, 2012
Ha
Kansas City’s not going deep EVER, not if they’re hellbent on Kyle Orton being their future. We Broncos fans learned that is impossible
the new Bradfather - January 14, 2012
Yeah, some free agents will be bad pickups.
But the same goes for the draft. I mean, I knew that R. Moore was not going to be a good pick, but even first rounders can be busts.
Free agency at least you pretty much know what your getting more likely than the draft. The Raiders can still score through free agency, and the team is young enough that all they need is a HC and DC really. :P
Jack'sAxe - January 14, 2012
Hits and misses on both.....
But you will always have more draft picks then FA’s (unless you trade away your #1’s for washed up QB’s, but that would be silly).
Thus the importance of draft picks. Also, a single impact FA might help, but depth is big in the NFL too. Need to draft well to have it.
charlesnelsonreilly - January 14, 2012
Raiders have depth, and they have very young players on both sides of the ball.
getting a couple free agents, a HC, and a DC is pretty much all they need really. The draft won’t hurt them THAT much.
Jack'sAxe - January 14, 2012
we shall see
after McDaniels screwed us, I never took draft picks for granted again
the new Bradfather - January 14, 2012
he did give you D. Thomas.
And tebow… but thats it really… at least that I know of.
Yeah he didnt do a great job in denver..
Jack'sAxe - January 14, 2012
Spygate II?
the new Bradfather - January 14, 2012
oh yeah that too.....
Jack'sAxe - January 14, 2012
And beadles, and walton
and ayers…
But lost cutler, marshal, hillis, more good than bad, aside from losing seasons
Trapped in O.C. - January 15, 2012
and Scheffler - who was never spectacular but was at least a productive player till McD came along
We need a genuine pass catching TE.
British Bronco - January 15, 2012
Daniel Fells did well enough for me
but if Julius Thomas proves worthless, find another stud, we need our own Gronk and Hernandez, gosh dang it :)
the new Bradfather - January 15, 2012
His 2010 draft is balancing out the horror that was his 09 draft. That, and he was a terrible, terrible coach. Couldnt field a defense and forgot what a running game looks like.
Calikula - January 15, 2012
How much cap room do the Raiders have?
With all those high draft picks from over their 7 years of bad luck I cant see them picking up a lot of other teams left overs. The “Raider Way”
Calikula - January 15, 2012
Oh so happy that you are not our GM
TheRaiderWay - January 15, 2012
Yeah, you might actually build a team through the draft
Its a crazy concept! Lots of successful franchises are doing it now a days!! Its taking the league by storm like the West Coast offense!
Calikula - January 15, 2012
our talent evaluators got screwed in the Gaffney trade
Boiler etc - January 15, 2012
With all their top picks
over the last 5-6 years I would hope that they found SOME talent at least :)
Disturbed70 - January 15, 2012
seriously Faider tool
you would be happy if you didn’t choke against the Dolts and if you beat the Steelers and were in this position, we have a firm foundation, we have a solid front office, we have DRAFT PICKS, nah nah, time to get off the warden’s laptop, back to your cell
the new Bradfather - January 14, 2012
True on all that, you guys have a firm foundation that we would envy... until now...
We will now build a firm foundation and Front office with the sad passing of Al.
But I will not jump the gun, maybe mcKenzie will suck or maybe not, we’ll see when the season begins! See you next year.
:)
JaggerJaw - January 14, 2012
for sure
I take great pride in the fact that S&B Pride is the only rival blog I have NOT been blocked from under my current name
the new Bradfather - January 14, 2012
They have a no ban policy
Calikula - January 15, 2012
Dan Marino is arguably the greatest QB of all time
and his worst playoff loss was much worse than Tebow’s first playoff loss, just trying to accentuate the positives!
the new Bradfather - January 14, 2012
John Elway lost a Super Bowl 55 to 10.
FIFTY FIVE TO TEN.
emd2k3 - January 15, 2012
I am aware of that
that was a day from hell from me, my dad was in the hospital with a heart attack and the Broncos got destroyed
the new Bradfather - January 15, 2012
I was in Ski Club in high school. Watched bits and pieces of the game in the lodge.
emd2k3 - January 15, 2012
Did save me a trip from LA to Nevada
The summer before my wife and I were in Tahoe and I put down $10 at Harrah’s for the Broncos to win the SB on a lark. Got 50:1 odds. Was going to have to find a way to cash that ticket if they won.
ClarkFan - January 15, 2012
You guys had a great year
I didn’t think Tebow would become as good as he has this season. Yea, the Pats D had their way with him, but overall, for a guy that had virtually little off-season to pick it up, and then not even starting at the beginning of the season..I gotta say, not bad, not bad at all.
Get some weapons around him, shore up that defense a little, and you’ll be solid next season. Good luck to you guys. : )
Tai - January 14, 2012
I agree Mr. Tai
or Ms. Tai as it were, there is no doubt in my mind after Tebow does his Sunday worship at some evangelical church, he will be at Dove Creek at 6:00 a.m. MST Monday to work, work, work. He wants this badly and we’re lucky to have him
the new Bradfather - January 14, 2012
Er, I'm a guy just so you know
Tai - January 15, 2012
Some weapons...
there is not enough tea in China to buy the weapons needed.
Mee - January 14, 2012
no but there are enough fireworks
and we will be really explosive in the future
the new Bradfather - January 14, 2012
Nice...LMAO
Mee - January 14, 2012
Very well played
And a rec for you
Trapped in O.C. - January 14, 2012
Good run you guys.
Never been a fan of Tebow, but you guys have been classy all week in talking to the Pulpit. Good luck next year!
Ben Buchanan - January 14, 2012
that was one Hell of a ride!!
Much love to thease young men, I personaly am very proud of thisd team. Next year? CAN’T WAIT!!!
CenCalBronco - January 14, 2012 via mobile
I still love the Broncos! No matter what!
kadenp - January 14, 2012
Some seriously fun stuff this year!
Tonight reminded me too much of the first-round beat down in Indy several years back. That said, I look forward to building on the positives, and see what they can do with the off-season.
Go Broncos!
MakeCents - January 14, 2012
And the beatdowns are still coming...
I question my sanity, night all.
Mee - January 14, 2012
Not the way to end a season, but it was still a sucess.
I’m very excited to see how the young guys develope over the off-season. I was impressed to see the improvement in second year players in Decker and Walton—at times Beadles. The way Walton improved in only his second year is impressive in itself. He was getting dominated his rookie year and then turns it around this year. It’s going to be interesting how much more he improves next year. Also nice to see DT show his potential. I just hope he can have a full offseason without any injuries. I would like to see DT more invloved earlier in the games next year. He has that Brandon Marshal type ability but without the attitude plus DT is faster.
Even more interesting is going to be how Tebow improves along with the 2011 draft class. It’s easy to get down on a lot of those guys, but I would say to hold off on strong opinions on the ones that struggled until next year. I never really understand writing off someone in their first or even second year. If you want an example of how one can improve in one year, just look at Walton and Decker. The broncos had three rookies make the all-rookie team. Also Carter picked off two top QBs in the NFL. That’s four rookies making an impact in their first year. Just based off that, I’m already jacked up about next year. Get another good offseason togeather and the broncos will be back in the playoffs next year.
P.S. Start the mock drafts—plus free agency. Just think guys, picking at number two overall last year to picking 25 overall this year, that’s an amazing jump in one year!
tiderfootball09 - January 14, 2012
Great Year...but depth still a big problem
I predicted 6-10. We went 8-8, made the playoffs, and won a game. Pretty damn good!
That being said, I wonder how much further along we are from when Shanahan was let go. This game really reminded me of the his last game, when we got blown out by San Diego for the AFC West title. Lack of depth really shows late in the season, and it was painfully apparent tonight. Xanders made a big deal about purging the Shanahan roster of guys who never made it onto another NFL team. Well, there were STILL plenty of guys out there tonight on our side. We will need another good draft year and smart free agent pickups in order to compete next year.
xandervan - January 14, 2012
Von Miller embarrassing
I thought Von Miller’s actions at the end of the game were embarrassing and was ashamed to watch that cr&^%$p…gotta do better than that Von Miller..what a disaster tonight was..It reminded me of all the blowouts we suffered at the hands of Indianapolis…the white uniforms, bad safety play, etc…
Horrible way to end a great season.
Broncomaniac41 - January 14, 2012
I agree about Von Miller.
tiderfootball09 - January 14, 2012
go read his tweet about it....
charlesnelsonreilly - January 14, 2012
I did read Von's Tweet
and I will therefore refrain from judging him harshly, I have overcome a litany of anger management issues myself and if he’s doing his best to curb the problem, that’s all anyone can do. I like how he competes until the end, obviously he was being egged on by Pats players. Cooler heads should prevail, but we are human
the new Bradfather - January 14, 2012
He's young and hot headed. He will get better
Calikula - January 15, 2012
So this i cant even rec this post enough
Trapped in O.C. - January 14, 2012
I bet one of the linemen said something and he got sensitive out of frustration
They were nowhere near the ball, so to pick a fight was stupid and uncalled for.
Horsepower - January 15, 2012
Zane Beadles embarrasing
Zane Beadles stomping around after our one and only touchdown was also an embarrassment..I hope Fox gave him an earful…
Broncomaniac41 - January 14, 2012
yeah please get rid of the passion in denver lol... SHUT UP
Joshua Glover - January 14, 2012
SHOULD WE GET RAN ALL OVER LOL... BE REAL... PASSION IS WHAT WAS LACKING AND NOW ITS BACK... DO NOT DENY IT
Joshua Glover - January 14, 2012
I and Beadles are both Utahns
so it was particularly embarrassing for me
the new Bradfather - January 14, 2012
HOw can you both say that is embarssing without you being on the field?
Joshua Glover - January 14, 2012
IGNORANCE IS THE GREATEST LIE
Joshua Glover - January 14, 2012
Do you always respond to yourself?
emd2k3 - January 15, 2012
yes
we fans feel connected to players who play for our favorite teams. Of course it’s asinine but you do realize that fan is the root of FANATIC, right?
the new Bradfather - January 14, 2012
I too was disappointed by Zane, I’ve never seen him do stuff like that, on the Utes or Broncos so I’ll assume it was a momentary lapse in judgement. I’m sure he even feels bad about it.
UTBroncofan - January 14, 2012
yes
I won’t belabor the point any longer, I hate it when I talk to my mom and dad and they do that to me, but he knows what went wrong, and he’ll correct it
the new Bradfather - January 14, 2012
Well said John
I couldn’t agree more. I’m glad we have the same rational take on this loss, and this awesome young Bronco team.
PaleHorse78 - January 14, 2012
things are looking up
I realize we have a tough schedule but 10-6 is a good goal…. hopefully we come though in the draft
PortlandOrange - January 14, 2012
Did we just become best friends?
Our arrow is pointing up. 10-6 is a good goal, it means hosting another game.
Love the sig.
chikndnnr - January 15, 2012
Im with you there
10-6 is a good goal for next year
Calikula - January 15, 2012
The better team won tonight
Plain and simple, congrats to the Patriots, they are the better team and they took it to the Broncos. This year was fun and unexpected, I look forward to the team getting better and better. GO BRONCOS!!!
UTBroncofan - January 14, 2012
I live in Manti
UT? Where are you?
the new Bradfather - January 14, 2012
Young QB takes his team to the playoffs in his first year starting.... I think any other
team would consider that a great year and have a bright future.
rubincarterrocks - January 14, 2012
and he won a playoff game
that is something to celebrate, Tony Gonzalez, a Hall of Famer, may never win a playoff game, just think about that…
the new Bradfather - January 15, 2012
Rivers too if I am not mistaken.
Jack'sAxe - January 15, 2012
as much as I hate him
Rivers did have one good playoff year, it was the year the Giants beat the Pats in the Super Bowl, you beat him in the AFC Championship Game and they beat the Titans and Colts
the new Bradfather - January 15, 2012
yeah.
Jack'sAxe - January 15, 2012
Some of y'all sound like a bunch of sick pups!
I’m impressed with the how The Broncos conducted themselves this season when the odds were against them, now in the end (I’m glad it’s over for sure) it’s like you somehow believed that they had a chance at pulling off ultimate miracle. We shouldn’t of even been here where we were, this was an extra bonus and all I hear is whining! As Denver Broncos fans some of you make me sick to my stomach with the bitching and carrying on. WE’RE in a rebuilding mode and it will take as long as it takes, not when you or anybody else believes it should take. This upcoming offseason we have a great opportunity to plug some holes at positions we need to fill with either free agency or the draft. I foresee a team we will be proud of in the future, something we can all root and be happy for. Now isn’t the time to go back stabbing anybody on the Denver Broncos, now is the time to give the the praise and honor they deserve for the outstanding season with so little and the playoff win that wasn’t supposed to be…
Take a deep breath and let the front office make some magic…Go Broncos!!!
bfree2bronc - January 14, 2012
when you're an ugly girl and you get invited to the dance
you’re not just happy to be there, you’re goal is to jerk a few guys off too!
T.Dot_Bronco - January 15, 2012
well we jerked off Big Ben didn't we :)
British Bronco - January 15, 2012
we sure did
T.Dot_Bronco - January 15, 2012
Well said Bill
BroncoSense72 - January 15, 2012
Thank you Broncos for giving us an exciting season
The team was fun to watch. Frustrating and miserable at times, But they never gave up. And they succeeded way beyond my expectations at the beginning of this year.
They say “Any Given Sunday”. It’s just a shame they scheduled the last game for a Saturday.
Thanks again Broncos
yibberat - January 15, 2012
For me, This has been the greatest year of Broncos football since 96-98
All of the adversity the team overcame…
-The Lockout
-Training Camp controversy
-The Orton led 1-4 start
-Tebowmania
-The constant MSM firestorm
-Injuries
-Offensive Philosophy change midseason
-Trade of #1 WR
-etc, etc, etc.
NO 1-4 team should ever, ever, ever be able to go on a 5 game road win streak. No team should be able to overcome a 15-0 deficit with less than 4 minutes to play. No team should be able to overcome a 10-0 deficit with less than 5 minutes to play and no timeouts. No “3 year project” QB should be able to lead a team to the playoffs, and orchestrate a victory over the #1 defense in football. It all happened. And then some. Magical play after magical play. A team that fought with an attitude that hasn’t been seen around the Mile High City since the days of Al Wilson. John Elway as VP. An organization determined to regain respect that had been lost over the past 21 games of football. Respect that had been ripped away by long losing streaks, a taping scandal, and players in the news for all the wrong reasons. Rewind even further, and the organization had its heart ripped out three times by the untimely deaths of young Broncos players Darrent Williams, Damien Nash, and Kenny McKinley. Broncos fans had went through a hell of a lot the past 7 years. And this 2011 team made me more proud to be a fan of the Broncos than I have been since the Super Bowl years because of their character, heart, and sheer will that brought them from the cellar of the AFC West all the way to the Divisional round of the playoffs. And the way they did it had to have been one of the most improbable run in sports history. Anyone in the Denver area that can make it, should greet this team at the airport when they arrive back in Denver and give them a sincere thank you for bringing back the Mile High Magic!
knoepke84 - January 15, 2012 via mobile
well said
I hope all of you Denver residents can do that!
the new Bradfather - January 15, 2012
As irritating as tonight’s game was, this was still one hell of a season. All the QB drama, epic comebacks, last week’s playoff win…as fans, we’ve got a lot to be proud of. We weren’t supposed to be here. To make it this far was amazing. I’m just glad that our Broncos are relevant again. The last few years have been hell. And not to mention, we’re the fans of one of the most hated team’s in the league! Hated the ending, but I loved watching the team this year. As Tebow said, it was filled with many ups and downs. But it was definitely worth it. I feel much better about the team going into this offseason. This team has a bright future. GO BRONCOS!
jbbroncosfan27 - January 15, 2012 via mobile
I hope they get a new QB
As someone who saw Elway from 88-98 at Mile Hi, including the home playoff games for the 2 Super Bowls, I don’t think Tebow has a chance to be successful in the league. I find it embarrassing, any QB that throws for 40 yards in a half, and turns it over, and has multiple negative plays like that in one game is not fit to start in the league. I’m sure there are other running backs in the league who can throw the ball better than Tebow. He’ll be 8-8 as a starter and his limitations will be easily exposed, look at what all the good teams did to him. Shut him down. I lived in Denver for 12 years and understand loving the team, but holy hell you guys have got to be kidding with this guy. He is not an NFL QB. That option offense is an insult to the game. What more proof do you need?
LionsD - January 15, 2012
tebow deserves the offseason and i’m quite sure you will see a more traditional offense with better gameplanning
anton... - January 15, 2012
The game planning
couldn’t possibly be worse, so yeah it should get better.
Mee - January 15, 2012
So you are comparing Elway in his prime with pretty damn good teams around him to...
A “3 year project” who took over a 1-4 team? Great comparisons. I can definitely see how you came to your conclusion that Tebow and the league leading rushing attack is an embarrassment to football. I grew up watching Elway and still claim to be his bastard son I love the guy so much, and I see plenty of untapped potential in Tim Tebow. It’s strange how his style of play can be seen as an “embarrassment” to the league compared to the #1 pick of the same draft, Sam Bradford… Whom Tebow has already surpassed in wins with far less starts… And on similarly below average football teams.
knoepke84 - January 15, 2012 via mobile
It's embarrassing to watch him
Especially those option plays where he keeps it, he is going to get severely injured on one of those plays, he isn’t Superman and all RB’s get injured eventually. Just watch, one of those stop and starts he does he will get leveled. He’s tough as nails but it will catch up to him. He gets hit awkwardly all the time. He got dropped right on his head against the Lions, you probably remember him getting spun in the air. How can you fans here just dismiss FOURTEEN negative yardage plays? It’s nonsensical.
His stats will not sustain an NFL team through a full season, if he can’t make routine NFL throws and the league figures out this running offense what will the result be? 6-10, 7-9 at best. He’s too limited. I’ll be amazed if Elway hands him the starting job next year.
LionsD - January 15, 2012
If your so embarrased the dont watch
nobody here asked you to and nobody here appreciates any of your troll comments.
Disturbed70 - January 15, 2012
The only thing that is an insult to the game
Is re-writing the rule book to turn this game into a “pass happy” league.
Disturbed70 - January 15, 2012
The only insult is you trolling over here
Go on back to your worthless franchise’s blog now. Let me refresh your memory with some of Elway’s playoff losses.
I’ve lost all respect for the Lions and their fans after this season. Theyre worse than the Steeler fans. Your team is getting a rep as one of the dirtiest and most undisciplined in the league. Your fans reflect that. That team quickly became the Raiders of the NFC North. You’d think after so many years of futility you guys would have some humility. Didnt your own team just get blasted for 45 points by a great NFL QB also? Of course you forgot to mention that. Have fun dreaming of Lombardi’s, we have actual ones here in Denver
Calikula - January 15, 2012
OH BOO HOO I DIDN'T KISS TIMMYS BUTT!
I’ve never seen such delusional fans, anywhere. I find Tebow laughable as an NFL QB, I am entitled to my opinion. You just enjoy next season and his 120 yards a game and getting crushed on option plays. IF you have a tiny bit of NFL knowledge, you would have noticed how teams have pretty much figured out everything Tebow is capable of, and a good or better NFL defense is going to beat him down every game. Reality. Type another scathing review of Lions fans, like that means anything.
LionsD - January 15, 2012
Go put the bag back on your head
and slink back to your own blog.
Disturbed70 - January 15, 2012
YOU guys can't take rational though about Tebow
and you are not mature enough to discuss it.
LionsD - January 15, 2012
You're not discussing
You’re insulting. Big difference. Of course, you wouldnt know the difference, you outta try posting on the Denver Post. Thats more your speed right there, turbo
Calikula - January 15, 2012
I can take rational thought
if you had one. All yur doing is regurgitating the MSM’s point of view. Once you get an original thought in that gas filled head of yours it might be worth debating. Until then you are an unoriginal troll with the same attitude of every other troll we have been dealing with all season. Like I said I am glad your gone, because you are the type of fan that is an embarrassment to anyone you root for :)
Disturbed70 - January 15, 2012
One winning season with Stafford and suddenly you're the cream of the NFL
Please remind me of Staffords 1st season. What was it 2-14? And please tell me his stats from the beatdown the Bears gave you guys. Here’s a healthy dose of reality, Tebow is a young QB and will improve. You’re another dumbass Lions fan that only regurgitates what the MSM says about Tebow. The book is hardly out on Tebow. We’ll have a much better idea after next season
Calikula - January 15, 2012
Oh, and the Lions QB
Threw for 380 yards and four touchdowns in his playoff game against a top NFL team, on the road, so your point is again silly. Again, I lived in Denver for 12 years and saw 80% of Elways games at Mile Hi so I’m the biggest Denver slappy around, and the team was ruined by McDaniels for me. Keep whining. Tebow will set the franchise back another 5 years.
LionsD - January 15, 2012
Glad your gone. One less
band wagon fan here in the Mile High City. Have fun in Detroit :)
Disturbed70 - January 15, 2012
Glad the Broncos fans I know are rational adults
Because any criticism of Tebow here, painfully obvious criticism is too much for you hard core fans to handle. I think most of you are band wagoners. Only thing I can think of to rationalize away the horrid play in this last game.
LionsD - January 15, 2012
Most of us are bandwagoners?
after a horrific 4-12 season? And I guess it was Tebow’s fault that the offensive line couldnt run block, couldnt pass block, it was his fault that Brady kept burning our Defense all game long. Too bad Tebow sucks so bad at Safety, Linebacker, DT, RT, etc. You’re really showing your football acumen in your posts
Calikula - January 15, 2012
If you consider Rational fans as ones who accept your gabage comments
as rational. Then i will gladly accept that I am irrational. You come over here and do nothing but bag on the Denver Broncos QB with nothing but unoriginal garbage. Get a clue. We were in a divisional Playoff game with a kid who has started a total of 17 games. Yet he is supposed to be MontanaElwayMorenoBradyRodgers…..all rolled in to one. Yes that is completely rational. 17 GAMES….what an ass clown LMAO
Disturbed70 - January 15, 2012
Yeah, and Tebow threw for 316 yards on the NFL's #1 defense
Whats your point? And we won that game. How’d you guys do against NO?
Calikula - January 15, 2012
Everyone saw how the Broncos handled the loss with class tonight.
Maybe you should stop posting about football already.
LionsD - January 15, 2012
Maybe you out to come with some better comments than the lame played out
Tebow sucks ones. Of course, you’ll leave out the horrific play by the D and nevermind your own team also got torched by another NFL powerhouse. Of course Tebow had a bad game last night, but so did the other 45 players last night. Like I said, keep dreaming of Lombardi’s in that crappy city of yours, maybe someday you’ll get one so you can think about something else besides what post WWII Europe must have been like
Calikula - January 15, 2012
boy I really thought his O-line didn't give him time at all last night. Blame them for most of the negative plays.
Hard for any QB to throw for much when they are running for their life on almost every play. I agree Tim is still a young QB and it shows. He needs work and practice and an offseason. I can’t lay this loss at his feet at all.
The D was extremely overmatched and the O-line as well.
BroncoMath101 - January 15, 2012
If i was Tebow i'd make sure he keeps the video of brady doing that punt.
Can’t wait for the revenge game if ever!!!
anton... - January 15, 2012
Next year, back to Foxboro
MP-17 - January 15, 2012
The year after that
Here at Mile High :)
Disturbed70 - January 15, 2012
your team just could not generate any kind of pressure on brady whatsoever
against any elite QB, pressure with as little blitzing as possible, is the key. With all that time brady had in the pocket today, your defense never stood a chance
metal_militia - January 15, 2012
Denver
couldn’t blitz because of the trouble matching up with the tight ends and how they open everything up for that team. They don’t get any credit. It is always thrown Brady’s way. He gets way more credit than he deserves. His line holds on practically every play.
PABroncofan - January 15, 2012
And how
did not blitzing work out for them. They had nothing to loose by selling out.
Mee - January 15, 2012
Rahim Moore
can someone please explain what happened earlier in the year that got Quinton Carter playing inetead of Rahim Moore. Rahim looked good early in the year. They stopped showing Broncos games over here when they started losing and I know he must have fouled up
Baghdad - January 15, 2012
don't know why Moore is developing so slowly but glad the coaching staff made the move.
Carter is developing quite nicely and if he continues to improve could be the answer at one of our safety spots. Glad they were able to at least see that much. Lets me know they aren’t too stubborn to admit a mistake and make it right.
BroncoMath101 - January 15, 2012
Hang in there guys
It’s been an interesting season. Hopefully the Broncos will have a prosperous off season and be back in the thick of things this summer.
SuperSerial - January 15, 2012
Colts fan here.
Just thought I’d congratulate you guys on a good season. Yeah, yesterday’s game was tough, but your team gave the league many incredible moments over the season. It’s been entertaining to watch. Peyton Manning led the Colts to 3-13 his first season, before he turned it around the following year to 13-3. You’re a team headed in the right direction.
Ayrshire - January 15, 2012
Than you! Typical class Indy fan.
Good luck with the decision making in the Hooseir state.
Boiler etc - January 15, 2012
Thanks. Good luck to you guys too
Calikula - January 15, 2012
Stampede Blue is a dang good blog
Big Blue Shoe rubs people the wrong way sometimes but Colts fans are no different than Peyton and Dungy, all class!
the new Bradfather - January 15, 2012
I'm listening to John Lennon's song: GOD
And to paraphrase: I don’t believe in Broncos!….The dream is OVER!!
Some of you Donkey fans came over to our board after the Pittsburgh game and gloated mightily while putting down the Raiders. Where are you now?
TheRaiderWay - January 15, 2012
Correction, its "LAME-O"
Clompy - January 15, 2012
you're an idiot
even if some “donkey fans” did do this, way to stoop to their level. It just shows ignorance by those fans, including you!
Broncs55 - January 15, 2012
It wasn't "some"
It was 10 that are registered to this site who cam on over unprovoked.
TheRaiderWay - January 15, 2012
doesn't matter how many
it doesn’t make you any better than them
Broncs55 - January 15, 2012
I undersstand what you are saying
It’s all in good rivalry fun. It just stuck with me that Bronco fans would come over and jump our GM Reggie McKenzie thread to gloat about the win over the Steelers.
TheRaiderWay - January 15, 2012
10?
Do you have any idea how many registered users there are at MHR? 10 is even less than some. it’s a whisper.
Sean in Pa. - January 15, 2012
Well at least you have draft day.....
OOOPS….
Well at least you can say “We got Mark Davis now”
OOPS
Oh well. I guess there really isn’t anything for you to look forward to in this off season other than a QB controversy, once again a new HC and staff, and new ways for the Faders to look completely inept.
Have fun next season :)
Disturbed70 - January 15, 2012
We will have fun next season
because we at least have a real QB running a pro offense. Your offense has been Belichecked and will work no more!
TheRaiderWay - January 15, 2012
Your
Football IQ just SHINES through. ROFLMAO!
Disturbed70 - January 15, 2012
Your laughing?
Your doofus new owner carried on the spirit of Al Davis by firing a promising coach in Hue. You have no picks until the 6th round and you have a bunch of aging vets and/or expensive 1st round picks that will need re-signed or released soon. The Raiders dont have a lot of cap room thanks to their slew of high picks. Have fun dwelling in AFC West gutter again.
Calikula - January 15, 2012
Yes, I'm laughing
Because 8-8 is not going to get you in the playoffs again and there is no valid reason to believe that the Broncos will actually be any better that that.
On the other hand. We will get compensatory picks for Nnamdi, Miller and Gallery and likely trade for more. The cap is not a problem and never has been, we will sign quality FA’s.
Maybe John Fox should hire our “promising” ex-coach Hue to be your offensive coordinator, be my guest.
TheRaiderWay - January 15, 2012
no, 8-8 will NOT get us in the playoffs again
but we’re going to do better than 8-8. Incidentally, Al Davis’ son looks like Adam, Prince of Eternia, before he became He-Man, what a nerd
the new Bradfather - January 15, 2012
He also looks like the amish guy from Kingpin
Calikula - January 15, 2012
oxmouth - January 15, 2012
Yes, the looks of an NFL owner are so important to the performance of his team:
Meanwhile the face of your franchise, Elway, well….
TheRaiderWay - January 15, 2012
Hey, our team just made it to the Playoffs and even won the first round
How did the Raiders do in their last venture into the playoffs? Have fun setting NFL losing records again. 7 consecutive seasons of at least 11 losses and after back to back 8 win seasons you guys puff your chests out again? Have fun being 4-12 next season
Calikula - January 15, 2012
Do you really believe that?
You backed in to the playoffs by losing 3 straight games badly and winning on the slightest sliver of a tie breaker. You beat Pittsburgh only because they stupidly underestimated your team and your team rode the wave of luck to the victory. Your last 3 games are much, much more indicative of who the Donkeys really are.
TheRaiderWay - January 15, 2012
Uh-huh
and the Raiders? They had a chance to take the West but choked it away in their own house to a SD team that had nothing to play for. Thats what that team really is. As soon as McFadden goes down, so does your team. And giving up a 1st and 2nd for an over the hill Palmer? Remember that last good Raider team you guys had? The one with all the cast offs from other teams. Well this one is the same, only with mediocre vets instead of greats like Jerry Rice and Romanowski. After this last 8-8 facade, you guys are headed right back to the basement. Who are some of your young stars to build a foundation on? You guys are starting Jarvis Moss on D line. Lmao
Calikula - January 15, 2012
Who?
Jared Veldheer
Stefan Wisniewski
DMAC
Bush
Marcel Reece
Jacoby Ford
DHB
D. Moore
David Ausberry
Matt Shaughnessy
D.Bryant
Tyvone Branch
I could go on, but that’s not the point. The Raiders failure was more to do with coaching then it talent or age. This will be remedied and we will see starting in September.
TheRaiderWay - January 15, 2012
september will be SO awesome for you guys, but until then
just stay happy being the worst NFL team in the last 10 years.
oxmouth - January 15, 2012
This has been the "story"
of the Faders for the last 6 seasons….. Not the players fault its the coaching…the revolving door that is your HC spot is a joke. A scam and a facade that you Fader fans cause and “buy into” and I wouldn’t be surprised if your team is moved from Jokeland. Mark Davis is already spouting about needing a new stadium, and with your fan base’s track record of not even being able to sell out home games, even when your leading the division is a recipe for NO MORE FOOTBALL in Jokeland! If I were you I would be more concerned with that than a few Broncos fans jumping your blog LMAO!
Disturbed70 - January 15, 2012
D Mac?
What a joke. He’s like a talented Knowshon Moreno. Made of glass. He’s due for FA soon, no? Just like M. Bush. Hey Bey Bey? He FINALLY had an ok year. Nothing to hang your hat on with all of 4 TD picks. Reece is due to be a FA soon. Shaughnessy is due to be a FA soon. You have a lot of people to resign and a lot of free agents to sign seeing as you have no draft.
Calikula - January 15, 2012
The only time you guys stop DMAC
is when he’s out.
Reece is an RFA, Bush can be franchised or he will be resigned as well as any of the important players.
Cap room will be created as always and we will sign good FA’s.
TheRaiderWay - January 15, 2012
Is when he's out
which is like half the year. SO awesome that he’s taking up that much cap for you, btw. You dont build a team through FA, but then again that’s been the Raiders MO for the last decade. Great way to build a franchise
Calikula - January 15, 2012
That is what happens when you cant find talent in the draft
The Faders have a habit of cutting their draft picks before the end of training camp. Not to mention “over drafting” “reaching for talent” and just flat out drafting ’busts". That is what happens when the only thing you look at is speed and size at the combines :)
Disturbed70 - January 15, 2012
Besides Russell
who exactly are our busts?
TheRaiderWay - January 15, 2012
How far do you want me to go back?
I could write a book on it :)
Disturbed70 - January 15, 2012
Did it for you already :)
Calikula - January 15, 2012
Hey bey bey is not playing up to his draft position
DMF is a talented Knowshow, Rolando McClain got arrested for firing a pistol at someone’s head, Michael Huff is nothing to brag about, whos Fabian Washington?, Gallery is gone, so is Aso, Philip Buchanon? Didnt you guys piss away a high draft pick back in the early 2000’s also? You guys traded with a team
Calikula - January 15, 2012
at least the high picks
they gave up for palmer are safe. best way to insure against a bust is to piss them away before you waste them.
oxmouth - January 15, 2012
Ah the McDaniels way
Damn you Phonz!!!
Calikula - January 15, 2012
huh?
who are these people you speak of?…
oxmouth - January 15, 2012
Oh right
That info was sealed away…Its classified now
Calikula - January 15, 2012
We do better in the later rounds
Ford, Moore, Branch, Reece,Kelly, etc… We will build with trades, the draft and FA’s, if done wisely, like the packers, we will be just fine.
TheRaiderWay - January 15, 2012
Lmao like the Packers?
they actually held on to their 1st rounders, unlike the raiders who trade em away to other teams for their vets like Seymour and Palmer. Yup, just like the Packers
Calikula - January 15, 2012
I reference the Packers
because of our new GM Reggie McKenzie, not for the past.
If you think that McKenzie’s working for the Packers for 18 years is not going to put an influential bent to the new Raiders way, then you are as delusional as you sound.
TheRaiderWay - January 15, 2012
This is in past tense. Haha do you need an english lesson also? Were already schooling you in Football
Calikula - January 15, 2012
You were referring to our past drafts
How do you already know how we will do in the 2012 draft or exactly what choices we will eventually end up with?
You are special.
TheRaiderWay - January 15, 2012
2012 draft?
you have 3 picks LMAO
Disturbed70 - January 15, 2012
All in the 5th and later
Mmm mmm good
Calikula - January 15, 2012
We got Denarius Moore in the 5th round.
You never know. teams have struck gold in later rounds.
Jack'sAxe - January 15, 2012
And have missed a lot more than hit
5th rounders and later are not coveted picks for a reason
Calikula - January 15, 2012
Yeah of course.
But you never knooooow. ;)
Jack'sAxe - January 15, 2012
I know you wont do much
You have nearly no picks, expect to fix your team with free agents, have a lot of expensive players that you will probably need to trade for picks or hang on to to “win now.” Oh, and you need to resign a lot of your better players soon. Tall order for a new GM. Your team is a mess
Calikula - January 15, 2012
If he actually get past the
grasp of Mark Davis. Like father like son. No other owner had more say in personnel and staff then Al. So if you think that Mark wont try to do the same thing then it you that has the delusions. He has already started the trend by hiring a new “yes man” :)
Disturbed70 - January 15, 2012
Where are your facts
that Reggie Mckenzie is a “yes man”?
TheRaiderWay - January 15, 2012
Dont need them.
Ive already proved my point. And if Mckenzie isnt a “yes man” you can look forward to a new GM and HC in the 2013 off season as well :)
Disturbed70 - January 15, 2012
Yup thats why Hue was out the door
Just wait, this guy will say its the right decision. Thats what they said last year about Cable also. They were beating their chests about Hue taking over and now they will say it was the right decision to get rid of a coach after one year. Maybe we should snag him Shanny style?
Calikula - January 15, 2012
it may play a role
but you guys are still the Raiders until you’re not
the new Bradfather - January 15, 2012
Speaking of age
How’s your “young” secondary doing?
TheRaiderWay - January 15, 2012
Shitty, but not as bad as yours
We finished 18th in yards given up. Raiders 27th. Like Disturbed says, your football IQ really shines through ;)
Calikula - January 15, 2012
Yeah, they looked like 18th against Brady
TWICE!
TheRaiderWay - January 15, 2012
Haha yeah like your own team looked against Rodgers
Keep it coming, this is fun :)
Calikula - January 15, 2012
To a point its fun....
its like watching a one legged man in an ass kicking contest…after a while its just cruel :) But hey he brought it on himself….so let the abuse continue :)
Disturbed70 - January 15, 2012
T.Dot_Bronco - January 15, 2012
T.Dot_Bronco - January 15, 2012
Good one
Calikula - January 15, 2012
wow.
uncanny.
oxmouth - January 15, 2012
We are 22 mil under the cap
We have plenty of room to make any moves we need this off season to improve our team. Our young core of players are only going to get better. Also Considering we have more than a FULL draft day board with an extra 5th rounder, and all that cap room, there is no way this team doesn’t improve in both quality of players and depth on our roster. So there goes that theory right out the window. Once again your football IQ shines through :)
Disturbed70 - January 15, 2012
But hey! they have those compensatory picks, right?!?!?!
Calikula - January 15, 2012
Compensatory picks?
Yeah maybe at best 3rd rounders with a mix of 4th and 5th. Have fun building a team the “raider way” with other teams cast offs and has beens. You have yet another new coaching staff to go through and are not going to rebuild your team the right way. That house is built on sand and its going to take a while with no draft to rebuild the Faiders.
Calikula - January 15, 2012
what's all the white shit on his face
somebody should tell him you’re supposed to snort the coke not ram your face into a pile of it
T.Dot_Bronco - January 15, 2012
Well with all the inexplicable piles of cash that Al Davis had
and he inherited, Im sure he Tony Montana it
Calikula - January 15, 2012
Is that dried mayonaise on his lip....
nah… hes just been “working” again!
Disturbed70 - January 15, 2012
Lmao
Calikula - January 15, 2012
To be fair
Raider Way, I only visit S&B Pride when we play you, otherwise I have to bathe in the Jordan River seven times like Biblical Naman to get rid of my leprosy
the new Bradfather - January 15, 2012
anytime I see a Raiders Fan
I’m just going to say “Mark Davis’ hair” There’s nothing else that needs to be said after that.
T.Dot_Bronco - January 15, 2012
And the Raiders play the Pats next week?????
Oops, no.
ClarkFan - January 15, 2012
Says it all
Calikula - January 15, 2012
that would be the Ravens
and I hope the Ravens kill the Cheatriots!
the new Bradfather - January 15, 2012
-1.0 x 10^infinity
Part of growing up is knowing who to ignore.
Horsepower - January 15, 2012
Thanks for contibuting Faider fan! Great insight.
sfkelway - January 15, 2012
T.dot._bronco
Is that what the ugly girls were doing at the dance? Hey, the Patriots are a holding dirty team. Von’s shot was a reaction to some smart alec comment or being held all day. If you ever delt with Bostonians you know they run off at the mouth
Baghdad - January 15, 2012
What a ride
Last night was a tough night, but we wouldn’t have experienced that tough night if it wasn’t for a lot of great nights throughout the season. Thinking of where we this time last year, and also at the beginning of this year we have a lot to be proud of. It was great walking around a mall and grocery yesterday here in Iowa, and having people notice your Broncos clothes to talk about the Broncos, and seeing so many others wearing their gear excited for the game. It was great to see Mile High Magic back.
We have a lot of room to improve, and that’s why we were outmatched in every area last night against the Pats. However, the nice part is you look at the whole year you can finally see a direction and us moving in a positive direction. For the past 3 years that wasn’t the case.
I’m proud of our Broncos, and I’m proud to be a Broncos fan.
wiebrod - January 15, 2012
Great year, dissappointed by the way we lost
no blocking for Tebow or McGahee made the offense stumble. Defense was result of injuries and non stop mental mistakes. Von Miller will probably be fined for taking out his aggrivation late in the game…
I appreciate one thing of what the Pats did last night. I’ve seen them run up the score a lot more on other teams than they did on us. Brady punting the ball on 3rd down and not assaulting us through the air any longer after the 3rd quarter I was appreciative of. It showed good sportsmanship as well as respect for Coach Fox and the Denver Broncos.
This was a team effort to lose. Regardless, what a great season we had!
I am confident Tebow will be working in the off season with Elway and other trainers. He came a long way since his first game starting this year, he’s only going to get better.
Now I’m looking forward to draft day. Congratulations to the Denver Broncos on a fantastic season and a lot of players for overcoming your first playoff win against Pittsburgh.
Broncs55 - January 15, 2012
oops, sorry, i was trying to rec this
didn’t mean to flag. good reply.
orange cube - January 15, 2012
Exactly what is rec?
Mee - January 15, 2012
recommend
a quantifiable “good one.”
orange cube - January 15, 2012
Thanks
Mee - January 15, 2012
Please stop
It’s nice to be gracious in defeat but the Patriots are world class cheaters. Rodney Harrison was using HGH with full knoledge of the staff and it’s odd these old players go there and get rejuvenated. Big money creates new ways to mask ped use.Who do you think might encourage players to shoot up to win a championship
Baghdad - January 15, 2012
why stop at
full knowledge of the staff? his mailman knew…
the new Bradfather - January 15, 2012
Lets not make excuses
and all NFL players are using PED’s. Its naive to think no team uses them. Just look at players from the 80’s and look at players today. We got smoked, and it was all the team.
Calikula - January 15, 2012
LOL.
Glass houses and all.
Revenge of the Fallen - January 15, 2012
Yeah Im not for making excuses
My team embarassed themselves. The better team won. I cant say I’ll root for you guys, because I hate the Pats, but Im not gonna make excuses either
Calikula - January 15, 2012
My Mailman
I always catch my mailman leaving the house, what else does he know?
Baghdad - January 15, 2012
?
Calikula - January 15, 2012
I think he meant the mailman knew our game plan.
Wasn’t all that tough to scheme against esp. given the talent thay have.
Boiler etc - January 15, 2012
Meh.
Its like watching Elway and Reeves go up against Montana and Walsh. Tall order, especially for a young QB
Calikula - January 15, 2012
Patriots
It’s easier for me to hate the Patriots than praise them
Baghdad - January 15, 2012
that was a six pack
we used to give a six pack to the worst wipeout of the season, the real garage sales. and that would be yesterday. but here’s to hoping this is turned into something positive; that this is a motivator for next year. this was the most fun i’ve had as a broncos fan in a long time. timmy now will have an offseason. even his most ardent proponents can ask for nothing more. we got youth, depth, stability, we’ve got real talent at key positions. all in all, way better than i hoped. more is working than is broken. and now this team got a taste of what it is like to play with the big boys. ok. good one, broncos. work hard this summer.
orange cube - January 15, 2012
Q
Blindman24 - January 15, 2012 via iPhone app
Outcoached
Boiler etc - January 15, 2012
Outcoached
Boiler etc - January 15, 2012
X10
Mee - January 15, 2012
Texans
If the Texans beat the Ravens I think I’ll feel better for some reason
Baghdad - January 15, 2012
Agreed
and that’s because two former Broncos move on (Kubiak and Dennison). So it feels like a part of us won.
wiebrod - January 15, 2012
Excited
I know it’s hard to be overly excited right now with the defeat last night, but I’m excited for this off-season. Many people aren’t sold on Fox or McCoy, but I give them a lot of credit for getting us to the position we were in, and that’s playing in the playoffs. This roster still has many holes in talent, and that was easy to see last night.
I hope we can find a way to fill some holes on both sides of the ball. I would like to see a TE that can be utilized over the middle of the field, and another WR. We are need of another RB also. Defensively we know the holes we must fix also in the positions of MLB, Corner, and Safety.
Looking at this, this is why it’s a huge testament to our coaches and players to what they accomplished.
wiebrod - January 15, 2012
Holes, your talking HOLES?
Is the ocean damp?
Mee - January 15, 2012
Help please .
I got drunk to dull out the pain . There are parts of the game I cant remember . Can someone be kind enough to explain what von miller and zane beadles did please .
broncosfaninphilly - January 15, 2012 via mobile
Basically..
mad fools of themselves. On a side note, watching the Texans-Ravens game, what is it about Ray Lewis that is so REVOLTING?
Mee - January 15, 2012
How ?
broncosfaninphilly - January 15, 2012 via mobile
I did see it either, just heard about it
apparently after the play they were throwing punches, the Miller escapade led to a sideline brawl. I think the frustration of getting manhandled got to them.
Mee - January 15, 2012
Thanks
broncosfaninphilly - January 15, 2012 via mobile
Err...made
Mee - January 15, 2012
Terrible loss. We were exposed as a young team and while it hurts it was good.
Our coaching staff (although they probably knew already) now should know that we are still deficient in many areas on the team.
They’ll know that we need a new MLB who can tackle and lead the defense.
They’ll know that our secondary needs another shut down corner apart from Champ. Chris Harris was a very pleasant surprise but he may be best suited to nickel next year again. We need to draft a young CB who can fill this role if possible.
DT is still a large need. Our run defense started out strong but without a push up the middle our pass rushers have a much harder time against a good O-line
Our O-line is improving but they did terrible last night. Depth is needed.
We are not as deep at WR as we thought before we traded Lloyd. DT is going to be a stud but we need more behind him and Decker.
See what 3 stud TEs can do? Man I hope Julius and Virgil make huge strides next year and I hope McCoy finds a way to include them.
The option needs to go. Tim will be able to develop into a better passer next year IMO if he gets good protection and a good offseason. We don’t need to keep the option or draft specific players for it. I see no reason that Tim can’t become a good passer. It is tough to learn QB at the NFL level on the job. Here’s hoping an offseason working with Elway will do wonders and he can make a huge leap next year.
Hopefully our FO can make the most of the offseason, the draft and FA to correct these issues and become an even better team next year.
Glad Dennis Allen is staying another year. Anyone remember the last time we had a D-coord for 2 years in a row? I’m also not opposed to McCoy staying but he needs to get a little more creative in the playcalling and not be so predictable. Even if the problem is in execution, it is ridiculous to keep running the same kinds of plays that your players aren’t executing just because you believe in your system. Fix something and adjust (like the Steelers game).
Anyway, apart from my negative critique, I am optimistic for the future and can’t wait to see what happens during the offseason. FA and the draft can’t get here fast enough.
BroncoMath101 - January 15, 2012
This is in reference to how the offensive line did last night.
There was an offensive line last night? Pun intended!
Mee - January 15, 2012
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