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Denver Broncos Mock Draft Part Two: Post-Senior Bowl Edition

BOISE, ID - OCTOBER 01:  Doug Martin #22 of the Boise State Broncos runs the ball against the Nevada Wolf Pack at Bronco Stadium on October 1, 2011 in Boise, Idaho.  (Photo by Otto Kitsinger III/Getty Images)

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8 months ago: BOISE, ID - OCTOBER 01: Doug Martin #22 of the Boise State Broncos runs the ball against the Nevada Wolf Pack at Bronco Stadium on October 1, 2011 in Boise, Idaho. (Photo by Otto Kitsinger III/Getty Images)




The Denver Broncos sent their full contingent to the Senior Bowl once again, and this time, I'm not so sure they found their first round pick but at least they found their defensive coordinator.

Draft analyst Michael Schottey initially reported that he saw Broncos head coach John Fox and former Jaguars head coach Jack Del Rio talking at the Senior Bowl, and while that could have just been a casual chat, the two ex-Panthers coaches eventually wound up reuniting as Broncos coaches on Saturday.

I think it's safe to assume that coaching for Denver at least snuck into the conversation.

With Del Rio on board and Dennis Allen off to the Oakland Raiders, a lot of people around the web including guys I really respect are saying that the Broncos have upgraded at defensive coordinator and the Raiders actually downgraded at head coach by firing Hue Jackson.

I'm not so sure that in the long term, the Raiders downgraded, but I definitely think the Broncos upgraded at defensive coordinator. A Jaguars season ticket holder that I talked to said the resurgence of the defense in 2011 was more because of coordinator Mel Tucker than Del Rio, but there's no ignoring what Del Rio was able to do in the early stages of his Jags career with a young defense, even if it was built by Tom Coughlin's regime.

Star-divide

That being said, my last Broncos mock draft was very offensive oriented, and a lot of people didn't like it, which is understandable. I see the Broncos offense as lacking proven talent right now, though I do think there are pieces in place. The Broncos got a lot out of Willis McGahee, and who knows if the tight ends will develop as planned. I think those will be two positions the Broncos look to address either via free agency or the draft, but preferably I'd like to see a tight end added through free agency.

I also keep seeing a lot of inside linebackers drafted by Denver, guys like Vontaze Burfict, Dont'a Hightower, and Luke Kuechly. I have questions about all three guys, but if you want my honest opinion, I wouldn't take Burfict or Kuechly in the first round, and while Kuechly still shows up in my full first-round mock, Burfict has made his way out.

Hightower looks like a legit first round pick, and I wouldn't mind seeing him come to Denver, but I think that's being a bit too impatient with Nate Irving. Yes, I realize the guy couldn't sniff the field this past year, and that seriously concerns me, but I'd like to give him more than just one year. The guy was a beast at NC State and for whatever reason, it takes guys more time to adjust to the NFL level sometimes. Maybe he has a breakout camp.

Another thing I've been seeing pop up more and more is the Broncos trading D.J. Williams. Obviously it's not being reported by anyone, but a lot of fans and analysts think it could happen because Williams is sort of in the prime of his career and Wesley Woodyard is a "budding star" type of guy.

Personally, I think you have to sell high, even if D.J. did just have a great season. I think right now you could get maybe a third round pick for him.

I do think the Broncos need to address inside linebacker. You have to bring in a veteran guy or even against my personal preference, bring in another draft pick to help out, because while Joe Mays made some nice plays last year, he whiffed on too many tackles and just hurt us down the stretch at times.

Right now, I really don't know how I'd rank the Broncos' top needs. In no particular order, running back, safety, defensive tackle, inside linebacker, wide receiver, cornerback, and backup quarterback come to mind, as well as adding additional pass rushers and depth on the offensive line.

And we're talking about a team that ripped off six straight wins and won their division, made the playoffs, and beat the reigning AFC champions too.

Anyways, I'm rambling. Here is my second official Denver Broncos mock draft.

1. First Round, 25th overall: Michael Brockers, DT, LSU

6'6" 306

Not sure if Brockers will fall this far, but someone on the board has to. If not Brockers, you could insert a few names here of guys that I really like, guys like Jerel Worthy (MSU), Fletcher Cox (Miss. St.), or Devon Still (Penn St.), and I would be fine with taking them here. Right now, the flavor of the day is defensive tackle in round one, and a guy who can collapse the pocket and put pressure on the quarterback. I think Brockers can be that guy, and the Broncos could get him because he only has one year of starting experience. I could see him as a guy who grows up to 320-325 and doesn't lose an ounce of athletic ability. He's pretty rocked out at 306-310 right now. Here is my scouting report on Brockers:

Get ready to read this a lot for future LSU defensive line scouting reports, but Michael Brockers is a freakish athlete for his position and should be able to make a significant impact in the NFL. He is the type of guy that could make a similar impact like an Aldon Smith, the kind of guy who rotates in and out of the game but puts up big numbers. Brockers is a long defensive tackle prospect who has great size at 6’6″ 306 pounds with room to grow even bigger and keep his athleticism. He has scheme versatility because of his athletic ability, and I think he has upside as both a pass rusher as well as a run stuffer. He gets off the ball with elite quickness, and has a relentless motor. He had 10 tackles behind the line of scrimmage this past season, and made a huge impact on arguably the best defense in the country on the inside. I would have liked to have seen him go back to LSU selfishly to see him back with that talented crew of players, but he is ready to make the jump to the NFL. He might have a slower development, but I think he can make a significant impact as a rookie and be one of the top defensive tackles in the game if he works hard.

2. Second Round: Doug Martin, RB, Boise State

5'9" 219

I think it would be a solid idea to keep Doug Martin wearing blue and orange. Better yet, let's not even change the name of his team going from college to the NFL. Martin is a guy who does everything really well, and he is the kind of team player and leader you love to have around on the team. He runs low, runs hard, and has pretty deceptively good speed. I have heard from numerous scouts that Martin has first round grades by some guys. If he can land in Denver in the second round, we should count ourselves pretty lucky. Here is my report on Martin from earlier this season:

Extremely productive running back and will be in his third year starting for the Broncos. Martin is the type of guy who will be an excellent value pick in the draft. He is not the biggest running back, but he is capable of breaking the game wide open with a big run. Powerful running back who is not afraid to stick his shoulder down and challenge anyone willing to take him on. Probably one of the most underrated running backs in the country because Boise State is not a running offense. As pass oriented as the BSU offense is, this guy has been extremely productive from the RB position, and is a solid receiver to boot. Shifty and speedy with a thick lower body, he will be the kind of guy who NFL teams hate to play against because he gives so much effort and can do so many things for your team. Has incredible potential as a zone runner, and could be a major steal on draft weekend. Over the last two years, he has carried the ball 330 times for 2,025 yards and 27 touchdowns, averaging over six yards per carry in the process. Also had 28 receptions for 338 yards and two more touchdowns last year as a junior. Will not go down without a fight, and seems to pride himself on getting yards after contact.

Third Round: Mike Martin, DT, Michigan

6'1" 307

There are quite a few reasons why I'd go crazy for this pick, mainly because if the draft turned out like it did in the first two rounds, this would be a great way to supplement those first two picks. I think Martin is a guy who has gone underrated all season long because Michigan's defense was terrible two years ago and Brady Hoke got a majority of the credit for turning it around in their BCS season, but Martin was a cornerstone of that team and he showed me at Senior Bowl week that he is going to come to practice every day with a fire in his belly and give 100 percent effort on every single play. I think it's important that the Broncos start building depth on the defensive line so they can supplement their excellent outside pass rushers. Re-signing Broderick Bunkley, drafting a guy like Brockers, and then adding another player like Mike Martin would instantly take this defensive front to the next level.

Fourth Round: Marvin McNutt, WR, Iowa

6'3" 216

McNutt is a big receiver with long arms who can give you so much from his position. He is a pretty good blocker, coming from Iowa and is deadly on short slant routes and is a matchup nightmare in the red zone. He is a big target and a former quarterback who understands how to get open despite his lack of elite athletic ability, which is why he won't get drafted in the first two, maybe three or four rounds. He's got big hands and can snatch the ball out of the air with ease. Has a nose for the end zone and is a reliable target. Sometimes he will drop easy passes, but he catches far more than he drops and he can make difficult plays look routine.

Fifth Round (via St. Louis): Russell Wilson, QB, Wisconsin

5'11" 206

I realize Wilson is not tall, but he is a great backup quarterback candidate. I think he has as much potential as any QB outside of Luck and RG3 in this entire draft. He's a great athlete who, when he gets on the run, is deadly accurate and he can make plays. Very strong arm and a great leader. He would be a guy I could easily see us using a later round pick on based on intangibles and potential alone. He has reminded a lot of people of a Doug Flutie, Seneca Wallace, or guy like that. I don't see him as a Drew Brees, but I definitely think if you needed him to start a few games in the NFL, he could be effective.

Fifth Round: Jerry Franklin, MLB, Arkansas

6'1" 241

This is a guy who really impressed me by always being around the ball at the East-West Shrine game. I'm not sure if he'd be a starter for us, but he has good potential and hits like a ton of bricks. He had really good production at Arkansas, has good size and instincts, and I think in the fifth round, he's a pretty excellent value. Any time a guy in the SEC has production like he did (93 tackles, 10 tackles for loss last year), I tend to take notice. Not to mention, he is a pretty good athlete. If he has a great combine, I'm not sure he'll fall this far, but we will have to wait and see.

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Comments

You never answered my question of what happened to our 7th rounder. I don’t believe we own Cleveland for Brady Quinn because he didn’t hit the escalators. But maybe I’m wrong.

I like your draft BTW. I’d be thrilled with that 1st round pick. Adding a WR, RB and two DTs would be very smart.

I'd still miss some talent at CB

Then we should really target a top-tier one at free agency, like Portis perhaps.

I think Michael Brockers, DT, LSU will be a dream scenario by draft day. He’ll go higher.

See, that whole making the playoffs thing kinda screwed us in the end...

That’s quite insane. Although I think you are joking.

Watch the team that drafts Bockers find out he is a huge bust (as 50% of 1st rounders are) and then tell me you didn’t enjoy the playoffs in 2011.

Besides, the difference between the 19th pick and the 25th pick is next to nothing. At that point, all the 5 star Von Millers are long gone and it’s all about sifting thru 4-star talents and hoping you don’t take Robert Ayers or Larry English in the teens when Green Bay takes Clay Matthews at 25.

LOL

Nice one.

I think he was joking too.

I didn't even want Matthews though.

What an idiot I am.

Agreed

I’d rather win and figure it out later. There will be 2-3 DT/DE guys from our pick and on down to pick 75-100 that are impact players. We just need to find the right guy, and i think we will.

I was begging the broncos to take Matthews

with either of their higher picks. I thought he would be a really good pass rusher, of course, I could have just been sentimental thinking of his dad and uncle

Actually I would have taken any of the three USC linebackers

at Ayers picks

I'm going off the Quinn trade

Sorry I didn’t answer before. I think the conditional was, at lowest, a 7th round pick but I suppose it is possible that there is no pick involved now whatsoever since he didn’t even take a snap.

IDK

wikipedia has it as-Undetermined
Denver → Cleveland (PD). Denver traded this conditional selection, a 2011 sixth-round selection, and running back Peyton Hillis to Cleveland for quarterback Brady Quinn.

I think we still have our 7th rounder Sayre.

Wasn’t Payton Hillis and a 6th more than enough for Brady Quinn and his zero snaps in two seasons?

Nice trade Josh. The extra picks were the cherry on top.

I'm with you

I think we should keep it.

I like this draft, I like it a lot

I don’t know why I think that Michigan State guy would be WORTHY of our first round pick but he looks like a beast

Love the draft but...

would like to see Boykins the CB out of Georgia in the 3rd. Really played well in his bowl game. Reminds me of Champ.

Also, as far as a WR I would like to see Joe Adams out of Arkansas. Runs a 4.38 40 time. Could be a great deep treat and insurance for us if we don’t resign Eddie Royal, which I would like to do. I know Adams is more of a returner then a reciever, but he could be a great for the return game and deep option.

Agree

We need a CB with one of our first three picks. Our secondary is weak and Champs not getting any younger. I see a lot of talented CBs in the upcoming draft and the Broncos need to get their hands on one if not two. Maybe the Broncos need to take a CB in the first round then a DT in the second round. Who knows what EFX will see on their board as far as BPA round by round? I’m all in for giving Nate Irving a chance to win the MLB job from Mays at training camp. And remember, we have Warren and Vickerson coming back from injury, so drafting a blue chip DT may not be the priority some think it is. To me CB and RB are at the top of the list and SS and OL depth in the later rounds.

Everyone fell in love with Joe Adams during the Senior Bowl!
For good reason

He had a beast of a game, and I’m not sure he even had the opportunity to return punts. And I’m not sure about the assessment that he’s more of a returner than a receiver (above, not from you), because he’s very productive and would fit very well as a slot receiver in the NFL.

I think Boykins broke his leg.
What?
Yep.

Read about it here.

Reports vary about the severity.

I would be happy with this

I haven’t seen a mock draft that has Brockers falling to us, but if he did that would be amazing!

Doug Martin will be a great player

I’m a big fan of Mike Martin, nice pick!

McNutt has had a great college career and I think 4th round is nice value for him, but I would rather fill the WR void in FA and draft a Shaun Prater / Andrew Datko here instead.

Russell Wilson wouldn’t be a bad pick for a backup, I guess I don’t see him being a fit in the EFX system. Would rather pick Ryan Lindley / BJ Coleman and hope they can improve their accuracy.

I haven’t done my homework on Jerry Franklin, but I’ll believe you. Other guys I like here are Marquis Maze, Ryan Broyles, Devon Wylie, Jeff Fuller (I know he looked bad at Senior Bowl, but potential still there)

Finally, with our seventh round we need to pick up Dale Moss. Sayre, I know you know who he is being from Sioux Falls. I went to school at SDSU and watched him a few times this year. He has the bloodlines and potential to make the team.

McNutt

needs to catch passes better than he showed in the Senior Bowl, but then Eric Decker needs to be more consistent as well

I'd really love to see us get McNutt

For once, I want a Hawkeye that I rooted for through their collegiate career land on a team that isn’t San Diego, Oakland, or Kansas City.

Decker was driving me crazy this year

That boy NEVER dropped passes in college!!!

Jackrabbits are great in the NFL

Adam Vinatieri!

I went to SDSU too! Go Aztecs!

Speaking of which, give me some Ronnie Hilman in the third round! A stonger version of Darren Sproles.

Uh

nacaboose went to South Dakota State, they’re both SDSU, how about we get both Dale Moss and Ryan Lindley, that way we’ve checked off both of the SDSUs in college football!

I went to South Dakota State

I should have known there would be some confusion, I apologize.

I did some research and I found a couple of mocks of Brockers falling to us, but I’ve seen him going top 20 in most mocks.

my alma mater

Southern Utah, plays against South Dakota State in football regularly. Go T-Birds, Nick Miller is a Ram, no longer a Raider, so I can be happy for him repping SUU well! I remember several years ago, my beloved Thunderbirds played against South Dakota State and San Diego State, so there were a couple of SDSU’s in there….

How long before you realized you went to the wrong SDSU?

I kid, I kid.

I did watch the Aztecs

game against Washington State, Hillman was a monster in that one!

I think Hillman will be good.
Wish he'd've stayed in school one more year, though.

RB is the one positions that a player should never stay an extra year in college.

An RBs number of carries is finite. At some point, he’ll get injured and his career will be lessened.

RBs are so dumb when they go back for a Sr. Year. The kid at Wisconsin made a huge mistake.

Well, uhhh...

Hillman was a Sophomore.

As did I, however, this guy was from the lesser known one.

Go Aztecs, nevertheless!

Is Martin going to be a star?

I don’t know if I am sold on that notion just yet. I suppose it is always a bit of a crap shoot with draft picks anyway. But something in my head says “warning” this guy played 8-10 games in college against major college programs. Its not that Nevada, Colorado State or Wyoming don’t have NFL cliber players on their roster, its that they don’t have enough to make me believe this guy will do it, or can do it, week in and week out against the best. Then again Knowsho did it against SEC defenses and has been a disappointment thus far, so who knows . . .

I definitely know Dale Moss. I don’t know him personally, but I saw him play b-ball and football and he’s a pretty good athlete. Sounds like he’s bulked up too. I’m interested to see how he does.

Sayre

I’m not sure which is closer to you, Brookings or Vermillion, but have you checked up on Tom Compton, a potential 5th round OT out of USD? I did yesterday. He sounds alright. As a project. I’m sure his coaching has lacked what most of the prospects have had. Maybe he could be a good find. He’s pretty big for a small school guy and I don’t think he stood out to much so yeah IDK. Maybe he gets invited to the combine and we’ll know more then. A 5th seems to high.

They are about the same

I think Vermillion is a little closer. You’d be shocked at how little you hear about the NFL caliber guys around here.

Overall, I Liked This Draft

I would like to see Denver take a cornerback at some point in the upcoming draft, preferably, early on.

LOVE this draft

we’ll address corner in Free Agency i think

i could see Brockers falling to us

He’s still pretty raw, so that may scare a few teams away from taking him early. If he’s there at 25, TAKE HIM!!

Lets swicth the Third Round DT for a CB and you made me the Happiest Bronco Fan of the Year!

No No No!

Martin might be better than Brockers, he is an animal. together they would make our current CB’s much better!!!!

Doug Martin in the 2nd?

He will be there later than that won’t he? Running backs aren’t as hot as they use to be and not sure if I see the steam surrounding Martin yet. Richardson, Pead, Polk all seam to have more steam surrounding them.

Brockers pick is good, as well as McNutt if he is there

I thought Polk tanked at the Senior Bowl

Recent talk was that people are doubting him. Of course, one week is just one week, but it is an early job interview.

He didn’t do well no.

I think if we just switch that RB pick to a Corner we are a lot better off. RB’s last an average of like 3-4 years? I’d rather take a corner that can last possibly 10 years

I don't see Brocker falling to us BUT ...

If he does great! I love this draft, except for Wilson, and hope it falls exactly like that! Brocker, Martin and Bunkley would give Denver a line for years too come and make our defensive backfield look much better!

I like your comment

but don’t quite get why Bunkley is added in with Brockers and Martin. Bunk had a great year and I hope we re-sign him, but he’s 28 and a FA.

This would be a great draft

Agree with taking a cb in the third though, a guy like boykins, or audie cole if he’s there, and chris rainey in the 5th.
Brockers
Martin
Boykins
McNutt
Wilson
Rainey

Brockers only likely if Denver moves up

But I don’t see that happening with the other options at DT.
I like the scenario of DJ being traded because I hate his contract. If that were to happen then I’d consider Burfict. And if that were to happen then I’d want Dawkins to comeback to tutor him on being a pros pro.

Maybe DJ

would re-do his contract.

That'll be the day....

(Not holding my breath)

Greatest needs coming from the draft or FA

Slowly but surely I’m gaining a better grasp of the BPA philosophy so I do not care how we fill our needs BUT grabbing one or two elite players at any position each year begins the process of building for championships. I’ll give it a shot in terms of naming greatest need by priority and let EFX figure the rest out: a pocket COLLAPSING DT, a stud LB, and going out on a limb, another NASTY OLman (preferably a center). I would definitely like to see a quality RB and CB as well but decided not to get too greedy:O)

Sayree, I think we could say we have a “good” offensive line but may be short a “great” line with center and guard being the biggest questions. Hopefully, Watson and Beadles make another big time jump this year but the jury is definitely still out on those two guys for me.

Sayre I like this mock

As I see the value at the 25th pick it’s at D Tackle even if Brockers does not fall to 25 there will be some others with great value . Cox, Still, Worthy, Poe and Thompson will all go at the end of the first round or at the very top of round two although Still may go in the teens. There are not a lot of teams looking to fill a need at D Tackle this year after the big run on them in last years draft . I also don’t see a Corner Back taken in this draft by EFX with so many available in this draft you would think they would take one . Well thats what we thought would happen with the D Tackles last year .They may sign one or two in free agency or trade for one . I’m all for waiting on Nate Irving this year to see if he can be the guy in the middle . If he does not work out next season I would be all in doing whatever it would take to get Monte Teo in next years draft . I’m looking forward to your next mock grate work .

P.S. I would absolutely LOVE to get a nuke for a FB to blow up our running game.
I agree,

Larsen does a lot for us but we need a true FB.
Idk if Dan Paul is projected to be drafted but he is Martin’s FB.
Stands at 6’0" 250. Maybe a 7th our an udfa..

Why trade DJ?

Just curious…why do I see folks always wanting to trade a guy who hits his prime for a risk mid draft? I guess you would trade if you were not wanting a Superbowl this year? You guys know better than me … plus why have two RB? [Still have Fanin?] We need CB bad it seems. I would be fine with drafting all D and one RB…then move to offense next year…Did I hear Dawk playing in Pro bowl? I hope he can go one more….If so load the D line and CB…???

Because his contract is way to much money for what we get.

Fanin is big ?

It was the Pro Bowl. Half speed, make sure no one gets hurt stuff.

Fannin is 230 and fast
or at least he was before his injury
Yeah i meant question mark. Just lazy.
went undrafted and tore his ACL

i do not understand why everyone thinks he’ll contribute

maybe just best of the long odds

UDFA players are all long shots, but maybe the perception is that more UDFA backs make it than other positions. I don’t know if that is the case or not. however, I do think that the coahcing staff must have seen something in the gy, otherwise when he went down they woudl have paid him an injury settlement (which I believe is a fraction of the annual salary) rather than pay him his full wage and pay to rehab him.

I think it would be nice if I new how to type/spell more better
I love playing the what if game...

DJ Williams has been a solid contributor for the Broncos with playoff experience going back to the AFC Championship loss to the Steelers. DJ wore the ‘green’ dot on his helmet in some of the games this year receiving plays from the sidelines. He came back from a dislocated elbow (ouch!) and still was pretty productively throughout the season with 90 tackles and 5 sacks. Not bad for a Will linebacker and a pretty good career thus far. So, why would the Broncos consider trading him? Good question, and a lot can be taken from it…

First of all, DJ will be 30 in August and at the apex of his career and declining will be on the horizon, there’s no getting around that. He’s due about 5mil this year and the Broncos are in the rebuilding mode contrary to popular belief, so upgrading every position on the roster is at the utmost priority. #2 Will linebacker Wesley Woodyard has made strides the last couple fo years in pass coverage and imo is about the same talent wise as DJ in coverage (I had my doubts on Woodyard a couple of years ago) now and is a free agent. I believe we can re-sign WW at a far lesser salary and let him compete with whoever they get in the draft or free agency. Like Sayre, I wouldn’t let DJ go for nothing and wouldn’t take anything less than a 3rd rd pick. EFXcan use this pick to move up in the draft (maybe for brockers in the 1st) or select a prospect to develop. Too me, if DJ is still on the roster at the beginning of the season then I’m fine with that too, EFX have their agenda to complete…

Nah

Woodyard is pretty quick but his instincts in coverage are just plain bad, his reads in zone coverage are so slow the pass will be in the air before he flips his hips, he is a pretty solid open field tackler with a real nose for tackling the runner and sniffing out screens – but he has some serious limitations – he on his 4th DC now and they have all agreed he is limited. DJ is heads and shoulders above Woodyard in pass coverage and as a pass rusher, although against the run Woodyard is a bit more instinctal and can diagnose the right gap just as fast if not faster than DJ.

You are never going to get ROI for DJ, you will land something like a th rounder if you are lucky, but really 4-3 WLBs are a dime and a dozen and with so many teams playing 3-4 now the market is really limited. For that you get a downgrade at WLB and a pick that may land a backup or a chip to trade up 1 or 2 spots in the 1st round which is insignificant.

huh

that’s probably some of most insightful stuff I’ve read on DJ and Woodyard. It’s directly counter to what most people around here believe, but it’s also right in line with how pro football focus sees the two players.

But on the other hand, while DJ has more tools than Woodyard, DJ isn’t all that great either (at least according to PFF, who has him rated negatively). I’d love to upgrade both of them. Maybe DJ should be strongside backup to Von if we can finally get a stud WLB somewhere.

Yeah and I'll get an Audi to drive around when my BMW needs maintenance.

No way you can pay a back up LB what we pay DJ at least not on purpose.

an Audi and a BMW?

that would be the life!

payment doesn't matter

The contract is agreed to when negotiations happen, not on a per-game basis. If you start giving players more playing time than they deserve just because of their contract, then that’s a sure-fire way to lose games.

Well the chances of finding a player better than DJ...

that costs less is going to be difficult if not impossible. Even Woodyard was “as good as DJ” at his best. Our defense didn’t play significantly better without DJ in the line up. So if we’re going to upgrade it is going to cost.

DJ is a good solid player. Only way we upgrade is by bringing in a great player. Those dont come cheap… BMW…. AUDI.

"as good as"

They were both around average, a little below. And everything I hear is that WLB are a dime a dozen – you might very well be able to find a WLB that is better than either, at value.

I’m going position by position and trying to find the biggest opportunities to upgrade – ultimately we shouldn’t be striving to be average, we should be striving to be super bowl quality. That means, an average of super bowl quality across the team, which means a mix of complete uber-studs, and above-average Cogs.

For strong backer, we’re set with Von. At MLB we’ve got questions. But at WLB we have known quantities. These guys aren’t improving in leaps and bounds anymore, and they’d be a weak point on a super bowl team.

I think that the other option on the team – where we have opportunity to improve a lot, but don’t have questions – is the pass-rushing portion of the DL. We’ve got good run-stuffers, but we need someone (or multiple someones) that can do that and rush the passer.

Like this mock

Unlike everyone else I don’t see CBs outside of the first round being a replacement for Champ much less being an upgrade over the CBs we already have on our roster.

Nobody in this draft can replace Champ.
More on Mike Martin

I’m a huge Michigan football fan and if you’d like to read more about Mike Martin, I’m happy to provide some reading material. I’d recommend going to these:

http://mgoblog.com/content/upon-further-review-2011-defense-vs-illinois
http://mgoblog.com/content/upon-further-review-2011-defense-vs-nebraska

And then doing a Ctrl+F for “Martin”… Both of these are exhaustive play-by-play breakdowns charting every single defensive player and would only be interesting to die-hard UM fans like myself, but every play Martin is involved with is noted, and there’s several Youtube links to watch the plays where you can see Martin. So yeah, do a Ctrl+F for Martin on both of those and just read if you’d like to get an idea of his impact on games.

Or you can watch this video which is utterly ridiculous – a defensive tackle beating the OL so badly that he was able to force a pitch on a speed option… which a DT should never be able to do:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU7gkAXPa14

Anyways, brief comments on him if you don’t want to bother with the links:

1) He’s slightly undersized which is the reason he’s probably not a 1st-rounder. It’s a real flaw to be aware of, but it’s his only one.
2) Guy was the leader and only standout on several terrible defenses, and this year was the clear leader of defense that approximated pretty good.
3) High-character leader-type guy. Team captain and all that.
4) Played through numerous injuries in his career – tough dude.
5) I expect him to be successful and future NFL starter because I watched him improve every year. He’s the super-driven, doesn’t take a play off kinda guy.

Not trying to say this guy is a future hall of famer, all I’m saying is I’d be ecstatic if he’s sitting there in the 3rd and we jumped on it. I do kind of doubt he’d be there in the 3rd though, but perhaps I’m off on that.

note on my "undersized" comment

I mean more in height than in strength/weight. Martin is about 6-1, whereas a guy like Brockers is 6-5.

His height is holding him back for sure...

I’m more concerned with how a player like Martin does against his blockers. Does he get stood up at the LOS or can he collapse it? Is he better against the run or can he pass rush? That’s what I want to know about a guy other than his height.

Yeah height in the middle does make a difference. Plus how long are his arms? He won't be able to match up with O-linemen if he has short arms.
Several Senior Bowl tweets...

commented that he looked “thick” at the weigh-in. Not fat; just barrel-chested.

When looking for a picture the other day

for my mock on mocking the draft, I tried to get one of him as the Hulk. It was pretty cool, but since it was in a photobucket it would take.

I'm curious to see how his Senior Bowl week affects his stock.
I'm sure he is riser right now.

Hey, when does CBS redo the rankings? Updated all the time or nothing until after the combine?

I'm not sure.

I read a post somewhere the other day that – at this time of year – there’s a huge disconnect between scouts’ perceptions and the media draftniks’ rankings.

This poster said that the all-star postseason, combine and pro days won’t affect scouts’ perceptions much – those touchpoints merely solidify things.

Whereas, those touchpoints allow the media draftniks to finally get a handle on what the scouts have been thinking all along. So when we hear that someone’s “rising up draftboards” that’s not remotely true. Instead, the media’s simply adjusting their rankings because they’re finally getting a sense of how scouts truly value the players.

I have no idea how much credibility the poster has or if they were just blowing smoke.

Frankly, I’m torn. On the one hand, I don’t have any faith in the scouting complex/process. So it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if the scouts finally “woke up” to the prospects of a particular player who shines in the postseason. On the other hand, you’d think the best way to evaluate players would be to watch them play football, rather than participate in drills and run 40-yard dashes.

It seems like every year, the Combine has a workout warrior who rises up draftnik big boards. And then, sure enough, he gets drafted higher than anybody had thought back in January. So the question is: Were the scouts surprised or did they know all along and the media simply was finally clued in? I have no idea.

I think that poster was full of it.

I just read this quote….

Baltimore general manager Ozzie Newsome, told The Sports Xchange at Sunday’s AFC championship game, that the volume of underclassmen presents a challenge of sorts for NFL scouts. “There obviously are a lot of the guys you’ve seen play and have an opinion on,” Newsome said. “But as far as scouting them, really doing the work on rating them [as prospects], I’d say, no, we haven’t started that yet. The thinking is that, no matter what you hear, you don’t really know if a kid is going to come out. So why do the work and then the player stays [in school]? So there’s a lot of work to be done on these guys.”
Thanks

So what site are the scouts closest to the real rankings? CBS was way off the last few years that I’ve been following it. We all do all these mocks using them because they are so easy to follow, but they are not very accurate.

I think they're all full of it.

I think nobody has a clue and so they all “rinse and repeat.” All they do is survey other people’s big boards and then tweak slightly. No one’s afraid to take any risks because they’re afraid of being lambasted, which is pure silliness.

To me, the best example of this is Justin Blackmon. Almost every mock I’ve read – be it from SB Nation or from MSM – has Justin Blackmon going in the Top 10. Often, they have him going in the Top 5.

I just don’t see it. When did it become the default setting that the best WR available has to go in the Top 10? Is Justin Blackmon the best WR available? And if he is, is the talent gap between him and the sixth best receiver very wide? I don’t know. Personally, I don’t think so.

Take A.J. Green and Julio Jones, two receivers who were drafted in the Top 10 last year. Those picks were dead on. But then, there was little question about whether or not those two would be elite. Justin Blackmon? He’s not in their class.

Here’s my prediction: Between now and April, you’ll see more and more mocks posted with Blackmon sliding out of the Top 10.

But the question is: Are you trying to accurately predict the draft or accurately predict who will succeed in the NFL? Huge difference.

For me, I’m less concerned about predicting the draft because the NFL gets is so wrong so often. I’m more interested in trying to predict who will be good.

one of the draft analysts i read during the senior bowl commented how well he performed in 1 on 1 drills and could potentially be a better fit as an under tackle rather than a nose tackle.
would be interested to hear thoughts on that

I really like this draft but I'd rather have Bobby Wagner in rd 4 than McNutt personally.

Then I’d use our 2nd 5th on a WR instead of a MLB.

I also don’t like the Russell Wilson pick. No doubt the kid is talented but he rarely made any plays inside the pocket. Defenses at the next level will be able to contain him in the pocket (like the good teams learned to do with Tim) and he won’t be able to make those plays nearly as much.

Love the first 3 picks though.

Bobby Wagner is a stud
Are they freezing his semen?

Come on, man. Aren’t you from Utah? Can’t you provide more context than that? He’s a stud? You’re better than that.

Bobby Wagner has impeccable instincts

he was named the WAC’s preseason defensive player of the year and he and Robert Turbin will both be former USU Aggies who dominate in the NFL, Turbin is a new-age Marshall Faulk, there you go, 2 for the price of 1!

ya man take him. i love the utah state guy.

Guy is huge stud. I’d love to make this guy on next line backer she rocked the senior bowl

Bobby Wagner in round four will never happen, not unless he breaks his leg or something between now and the draft. He is a fringe first round pick.

I have a funny feeling that if Michael Brockers is still on the board aft 18 or so, that the Broncos will make a move to get him.

Brockers has the potential to be one of the best DTs to come out in a while. QBs will have a hard time throwing over him and around him and he looks ike the type of guy that can take over the LOS…

I hope you're right free.

I’m sold on the guy now with him on all these mocks today. We SHOULD draft him. That means we probably won’t.

I wasn't much on Michael Brockers at the beginning of the 2011 season because he was a relatively unknown for the most part.

Didn’t even check him out watching him play because I thought he was a southmore and needed another year of college for eligibility. No one was talking about him, it was like he was there, but he wasn’t there. But when he declared for the draft and got more attention I suddenly realized that this guy is the real deal. He could stand another year in college and if he excelled then he would most likely be a top 5 pick in 2013, but if he tears it up at the Combines, he won’t last long on the first day. My only hope is that he doesn’t standout at the Combines and Prodays and is available around 18 where we could conceivably reach him. Remember last year EFX wanted Nick Fairley but wasn’t going to give up the rest of the draft for him. I don’t blame them for that even though I wanted Fairley too, but this year we are setting smack dab in a spot where we could make a jump if he or another player of high quality is there. I love the draft and watching the whole proccess unfold in front of our eyes and dream about the possibilities that are there…Like a kid in a candy store.

I think this could be close to what we do

In terms of positions that we address you may be right on. I like both DT guys, and it would be great to have a high energy guy up front as part of our rotation. I think those types of players really make hay late in games, plus late in home games is especially challenging for many visiting trench players.

I am not sure I see the value in Mcnutt. I don’t know a lot about him, seen him paly a few times and doesn’t really stand out. My thought is he is similar to our current #1 and #2 guy. Wouldn’t it be better to get a different type of receiver? Anyway I would prefer to go OL in that spot anyway.

I think a big CB would be a good get this year as well, if we can find a way to swing it. We are going to have major needs there soon, and in order to develop talent, we have to have it on the roster b/f it becomes an emergency. Finally, if we don’t get another bell cow type RB in FA, I think you may be on to something with Martin in round 2, I also like the back from Temple as well.

Re: McNutt

I think McNutt will have trouble separating in the NFL. I’d prefer if we went a different direction too.

I think this WR class is pretty flat with lots of value behind the third round. If we draft one above the fourth, I’ll be disappointed.

Heck there is a ton

that will be UFAs.

Seems like that is the case with WR & RB generally

I know I have heard from the talking heads that it takes WR more time to acclimate to the pro game (which is now changing somewhat because of pass happy offenses in high school and college) and that it takes time for RBs to pick up the blocking part of the game (because maybe these guys have been running rather than blocking since they were 8). Either way I think there are guys that can at least be competetive in camp had late, or as UDFA. IF we aren’t looking at gamebreaker WR types, I say pass. Give me DBs and LBs so they can at least fight for a special teams spot.

Doug Martin won Special Teams Player of the Year.

Maybe his freshman year?

Love all the picks Sayre and i know you do a lot of research to each and every prospect.

Only one thing I would change and that is…draft someone else at 3 and take DT Derek Wolfe with the first 5th. I believe he has better pass rushing capabilities than Mike Martin. IMO, that’s what we need is DTs with pass rushing skills. Other than McBean who do we have?

I have heard Derek Wolfe has a non-stop motor as well. I would be great with him in the 5th.

Change the 3rd DE Cam Johnson or Vinny Curry or MLB Bobby Wagner.

Take CB Trumaine Johnson in rd 4. If he isn’t there maybe Leonard Johnson.

Wolfe in rd 5. Love it.

Is that the Montana guy?

Unless he falls down on his combine 40, or looks terrible in agility drills he wont make it to round 4. He is like 6’3" and over 200# with an alleged 4.3-4.4 40 time. If that guy kills it in the skills and speed, he might go in round 2. But I would love to see him land on our team!!

Then maybe we should trade back into the beginning of round 2 for more picks.
My tune has changed on Wolfe.

I felt the same way; but the more research I do on him, the less I like him. But then, I’ve never claimed any expertise in evaluating DTs.

I really like Derek Wolfe as well. He is not a 5th round prospect. He would be there for our third round pick, but someone will do the right thing and pick him up before the 5th in my opinion.

Martin is a stud

The Broncs NEED Doug Martin. He is a tough runner, good in open space and blocks well.

Starting to doubt

We draft Russell Wilson, he would be a great back up behind Tebow, but Elway has clearly stated he wants a big QB, so I doubt he drafts one that stands 5’10"

Good point.

I won’t be happy if we pick Wilson.

He's closer to 5'11

And I never once saw it effect him at Wisconsin.

But not quite.

Pass.

I like this mock a lot Sayre, nice work

It immediately gives us two young DT’s to build around with our young, talented DE’s. Adding Martin will create a great group of backs, especially if Moreno returns to 100%. My heart still wants a DB, but between all that untested youth I feel that the next draft is where that will be decided after we give Squid, Harris, Moore, Carter and Bruton another season to fight for their jobs. I’m not a big Wilson fan, but we need to draft a lower round QB and he fits the what we are trying to run. McNutt doesn’t impress me but we need more depth at WR.

Overall I can’t argue with any of these pick, nice mock.

why so much hate towards DJ

Since he arrived in Denver he has been among the most productive players on our defense . It pains me to see such ignorance . Wow I thought after watching McDufus trade away a lot of our talent we would just say no to trading the few players that play at a high level left. Wow Dj could start on any team in the NFL and would be considered a upgrade on most!

Really?
Dj could start on any team in the NFL and would be considered a upgrade on most!

I believe DJ had his best season in 2011, but I think you’ve overestimated his talent a bit.

I don’t think I ever said I hated DJ…

defense should be the theme come draft day

I think our defense has been crippled by the loss of Al Wilson ,and the fact we haven’t replaced him yet is troubling . We have been soft up the middle for years….

Very troubling.

I guess now we’re trying at least.

maybe

Elvis Akpla of Montana State?

I don’t expect him to get drafted high, but he is a big physical wide receiver that I could see picking up in the later rounds. Just a thought…

Although I liked your draft, how do you see the Broncos addressing the secondary? Are there any free agents that would be worth bringing in? I honestly haven’t paid much attention to this… one cornerback and one safety would be nice…

I watched the I-AA playoffs

I love Akpla, I take it you’re a Bobcats fan, so perhaps you’re not interested in Montana Grizzlies? I liked their white fullback, he’s like Alstott, what about Jamin Sambrano?

My Thoughts

-I LOVE the first 3 picks and I mean LOVE. Michael Brockers, Doug Martin and Mike Martin is close a dream draft for the 1st 3 rounds

-I also could see Brockers falling there because he isn’t the complete product people are making him out to be. But if he isn’t I would be happy with Fletcher Cox, Devon Still or Brandon Thompson(who might be the safest DT in the draft).

-If we don’t go DT in the 1st I think we will go CB, Janoris Jenkins would be my favorite at this point.

-If Mike Martin isn’t available in the 3rd I would take Kendall Reyes if he is still there.

-I am not the biggest Marvin McNutt but you know this from our conversation on Twitter. I would rather change that pick to a Joe Adams, Chris Rainey, Ryan Steed just to name a few. I think McNutt resembles Decker too much as a WR. Big WR, with decent speed who has Ok hands. IMO we need a burner at WR. A real deep threat. That is the WR we are missing in this offense. I do think DT can be a deep threat but IMO he is a complete WR who can do it all.

Partially agree.
IMO we need a burner at WR. A real deep threat. That is the WR we are missing in this offense.

Yep. DT might be a deep threat, but I think we need a difference maker; someone who makes the defense worry. Rainey might be that guy. I can envision him being used in a number of different ways in the NFL. But I’ve decided he’s not Percy Harvin. And he’ll disappoint people who think he will be. Although his straight line speed is amazing and his acceleration is great, I don’t know that he has Harvin’s agility. Harvin could change direction at top speed. I don’t see the same thing in Rainey.

For a number of reasons, I don’t want Janoris Jenkins.

Even if Rainey can't change direction at top speed

many guys have very successful NFL careers as pure deep threats. Rainey is two inches shorter and 10 lbs lighter than Harvin, but according to most sites is faster (straight line speed). If Rainey has a good combine, there is no way he falls to the 4th. The Raiders will take him in the second based upon speed alone.

Very true.

I’ve read reports that say Rainey claims he’s going to run a sub-4.2 at the combine. Sub-4.2!

Then again, Chris Polk claims he’s going to run a sub-4.5. Maybe Polk is talking about the 40-foot dash.

Unless they trade McFadden

for a 2nd ,they don’t have a 2nd.

Trading DMF for a second round pick would not surprise me in the least.

If he runs under a 4.20 40, someone will take him in the first round. That would be the fastest 40 ever run at the combine since they started publishing the official combine results in 1999.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/40-yard_dash

The Raiders are drawn to 40 times like moths to flames. Since 1999 the official combine 40 times have been recorded. Of the top 15 40 times, the Raiders have drafted 5 of those guys:
Van Dyke, Ford, Routt, Washington, Heyward-Bey

Al Davis loved players with straight line speed. Who cares if they could catch or tackle.

Speaking of Al Davis...

Did you see that over on Silver and Black Pride, they put a picture of Al Davis wearing a Raider helmet as the site’s logo. Kind of disrespectful to me, but what else would you expect?

Thanks Kraig

I agree, I really like the first three picks as well.

I think Brockers has a shot at falling, but I’m seeing more and more mocks where he is the first DT taken.

I realize not everyone is a McNutt fan, but I’m a huge fan b/c I know exactly what he brings and I think that’s pretty good value in the 4th. If Joe Adams lasts to the 4th, that could be a very good value. I’m with you on adding speed for sure.

We need more speed on O and D

We need David Wilson from VTech in the 2nd round and Chris Rainey rb/wr/pr/kr in 5 or 6th round

You had me up until Russell Wilson...

Not even 5’11’’ and looked awful at the Senior Bowl. I still might get him as an UDFA but 5th is a reach for a non-NFLer. Pick a different QB or a corner.

I loved him at Wisconsin, can't stand the thought of him on the Broncos.
Looked awful at the Senior Bowl?

Okay…might need to convince me there, especially since the Senior Bowl is not a good evaluating tool for QBs. It’s one week in a simplified offense with receivers you’ve never played with, a center you’ve never taken snaps from, there’s no continuity, etc. It’s a horrible week for QBs.

During practice, the coaches didn't like his throws.

He starred in everyone’s “Who hurt himself at the Senior Bowl” stories. I’m certain you are familiar with the fine products of the Google company. Their search engine was of particular use, I found.

I liked it a lot of besides the QB pick.....

don’t think we need a QB in the 5th round, would rather try to grab a sleeper in CB or another OL pick.

I’m starting to think we’ll take a QB much earlier than the 5th round. Not out of the question with a 2nd round pick.

Hope not.

We already have a pretty big QB project on our hands.

washington bias

dont sleep on Chris Polk. I want him in the 3rd. Possibly 2nd. I’ve been watching him for years. hard, dependable runner. on a sidenote, I’ve never seen the Nevada wolf packs logo until this post or maybe I never noticed but It’s very similar to ours.

He reminds me of Shonn Greene.
Interesting to see where these guys come from..

No small schoolers for Sayre!

Up the middle

I thought that’s where we have the biggest needs (Dawkins is …seasoned, “top” DT’s unhealthy, MLB relatively lost in wake of Von/D.J.). I love the 1/3 round bracket of DT’s, and I am a Hawaii fan so I have seen what Doug Martin can do, trust me, I like it. as for MLB I really wish Te`o out of ND came out, he’s someone special. As for safeties, I’d like to see Moore/Carter be our future if they can get it together. oh, and one more thing, I’ve seen talk of signing FA’s like Landry and bringing back Portis, is there a consensus 2001/2002 Hurricane fan base here?

as an Irish fan, I'm glad Te'o stayed for his senior year.
Rather than two DTs in the first 3 picks,

Why not take a good CB or Safety, plus a quality DT in the 1st and 2nd rounds, perhaps an RB in the 3rd, then in the 5th a likely prospect for OT or OG instead of Wilson at QB. We need some depth in the line, given the current backups.

We have some good returning DTs, assuming Brodrick Bunkley and Ty Warren are back. Isn’t one high draft pick DT enough?

I don’t know how others feel, but I like the idea of having TT at QB, then a free agent experienced QB (NOT Vince Young) as backup, and Weber as our 3rd QB.

We should get Dennis Dixon to back up TT.

He’s a FA and the Steelers are not expected to bring him back. He has some experience coming off the bench. At 6’3" 210, he both large and quick enough to present a threat running the ball and he played in a very similar offense to TT while in college (Oregon). Additionally he should be pretty inexpensive since he has been a career backup. “The 27-year-old has four career appearances (three starts), completing 35-of-59 passes (59.3%) for 402 yards (6.8 YPA), one touchdown, and two interceptions. Dixon has rushed 10 times for 56 yards (5.6 YPC) and another score.”

We'll see after free agency

Who knows how it will turn out? I’d rather take 2 DTs than take a CB or S in the third round. I think Martin is a better value unless you can pick up a steal.

Nice draft

Nice draft Sayre, i’d be real happy with this

Whitney Mercilus

Very surprised no one has mentioned this guy

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