And just like that, the season is over. With the Super Bowl just coming to a close and a full 45 minutes since I last read or watched a Tim Tebow story, now's the perfect time for another KB Rant.
Let the offseason drama begin. No, there's no slipping on a McDonalds wrapper or domestic assault, today... just a DUI and "flirting". I have a feeling we'll be seeing more and more stories about what Tim Tebow is doing as the offseason drags on. Is he throwing the football in an indoor practice facility or Tebowing with gorgeous television personalities? Did he chew his nails or pop his knuckles? And on and on and on...
It's getting ridiculous.
Didn't it seem like just yesterday when we were making season predictions and gobbling down daily morsels of Kirk Davis' Training Camp coverage? My, oh my, has this season flown by... We thought Tebow mania was bad before Tim was the starter, but I don't think we've seen anything yet. Back then, we were still talking about Kyle Orton. Looking back on everything, though, seems like it was all just a blur. We benched Kyle Orton, cut him, rode a winning streak with Tim Tebow at the helm, won a playoff game and were blown out by the Patriots before I could bat an eye.
With that in mind, I think it's time to rant.
Let's start with Tim Tebow's love life. (rolls eyes) Don't worry, we'll get to the DUI talk in a little while.
Please, stop.
I can't tell you how much chatter I've seen on twitter about who Tebow should date (Katy Perry, Maria Menounos, Lindsay Vonn, my friend's sister, etc.). Of course, they say "should", as if people outside of Tim Tebow's personal circle would know what's best for the 24 year old quarterback.
Come on, people. Back off and let Tim Tebow be Tim Tebow. If he wants to date, fine. If not, fine. It's his life.
With that said, if we're so forward about interjecting our opinions, what say we consider the consequences? How about looking at the future Hall of Fame quarterback, Tom Brady. He met his wife, Gisele, in late 2006. How many Super Bowl rings does he have before meeting her? 3. How many Super Bowl rings did he earn since then? 0.
I'm not saying that the correlation is the causation, here, but I will say that if you believe Tim Tebow should eliminate distractions and also date (insert name here), then you're talking out both sides of your mouth.
Oh, and another thing... what's with the public statements from Gisele? Throwing the teammates of your husband is never warranted. Never. Would you like if your husband or wife called your boss and told them off? Absolutely not.
And then I was presented with this link. What do I have to say about that? Um... okay. He can "Tebow" with whoever he wants. He's 24 years old. It shouldn't be worldbreaking when he gets down on a knee (to pray). Although, I could see how earthshattering it may seem to a young lady who had hopes of capturing the attention of the young Tebow. Sorry ladies... maybe the Maria Menounos thing won't work out? The power of positive thinking (or prayer).
@mariamenounos
maria menounos Thanks for not leaving me hanging @timtebow :) http://t.co/hbMxklVi
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After this playful invitation, Tebow reportedly got down on one knee and tebowed with Maria Menounos. Apparently, it was the first time he has ever "tebowed" with anyone else. I find that hard to believe. If he has ever been in the presence of a church congregation, he has prayed with other people around.
Oh well. On to the next thing.
I was worried. I thought for sure that the Patriots would roll over the Giants. Especially when they scored on the opening drive of the second half. The Giants were burned a few times early when their linebackers had to go in one on one pass protection against the Patriots tight ends or Wes Welker. Then they switched to a zone and were willing to be killed by a thousand cuts. Fortunately, that's when the Giants' front 4 took over. Tom Brady looked like he could have used a few classes from the Tim Tebow school of scrambling.
Aside from the halftime show and the postgame Gisele comments, the Super Bowl was pretty entertaining. It was a real football game with real football drama. I'm amazed that Ahmad Bradshaw failed to go to a knee. I'm shocked that Wes Welker dropped the ball. I'm completely overjoyed that the referees didn't ruin the game.
It was a great night for football. Congratulations to the Giants and their fans on a wonderful season. Hopefully, the Broncos will be hoisting the Lombardi Trophy this time next year.
Free Agency is a little bit more than a month away. I'm interested to see, in the coming weeks, what we plan on doing with guys like Knowshon Moreno. If you ask me, I say cut him immediately. I feel the same way that I did when Chris Simms was found driving a vehicle while stoned. It's an unbelievably selfish act and I'm saddened that it happened.
Knowshon should be held accountable and should be cut, in my opinion. For all the hooplah that Roger Goodell and the NFL raise over players illegally hitting other players, I think that arrests should be punished much more so. DUIs should be high on the list. Not only are you putting your own life in danger, you put the lives of others in danger.
I thought the days of arrests were gone when Brandon Marshall and Perrish Cox left. Unfortunately, that's not the case. Knowshon Moreno wins the award for first NFL player arrested in the 2012 offseason. I hope he's the last, as well.
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Actually there is a Tebow story
in El Paso, Texas, where I served for many months on the Mormon mission, a pastor in the borderlands has reached out to Tebow to help bring prestige to his Church, we shall see how this goes. I assume it will be in tomorrow’s Horse Tracks. As for Maria Menonous, she is a cutie and she responds to me so I blush, but that Giants bikini was not a bad look at all:), When you have NFL Network, illustrious Troy, the season NEVER ends, Combine coverage, February 23, Indianapolis. Plus, Sayre will inundate us with his innumerable mock drafts, if you feel deprived of your football the next couple of months, it’s your own fault.
the new Bradfather - February 7, 2012
hmmmm.... interesting. Maybe Tebow can come to my church someday....
Troy Hufford - February 7, 2012
So Tebow is suppose to help bring presitge to his Church or THE Church? And is it a mormon church?
waterboy31321 - February 7, 2012
It is not a Mormon Church in El Paso
it’s an evangelical organization, some of the members of which I knew quite well 10 years ago, it is to bring prestige to Abundant Life Living Center, sorry for the ambiguity
the new Bradfather - February 7, 2012
Apparently Moreno's Bentley...
Has a license plate of “SAUCED.”
Sadly, not a joke.
Ferris_ - February 7, 2012
Yup. It's sad.
Troy Hufford - February 7, 2012
That one expired
he has a new one on order “BUST”
sc31089 - February 7, 2012
LOL
bfree2bronc - February 7, 2012
Or....
XBRONCO
John Bena - February 7, 2012
That's a good one...
bfree2bronc - February 7, 2012
IMURTRD
seems apt
the new Bradfather - February 7, 2012
BUST&HURT
Scotty Payne - February 7, 2012
My license plate for Moreno
<ORAKPO
McGeorge - February 7, 2012
+ INFINITY!!!!!!!!!!!
I was standing in REI in Denver watching the picks on my phone and when I saw Orakpo available I started screaming like a little kid saying we got him! And then… I started yelling at my phone, a sad day, and then later that day at the Rockies game, I saw… WTF!!!!?! We traded up for Dick Quinn…
JALefor - February 7, 2012
McDaniels Just needed More Time!
KoloradoKaos - February 7, 2012
Which perfectly explains why he was so aggressive at the 2009 draft. Because he hadn’t had time to property scout the draft.
Oh wait… It’s because he was a child with a kid in the candy store mentality.
I actually had to fight a lot of battles at MHR saying why the 2009 draft was such a debacle back at the time. I actually had people telling me the Phonz trade was a good one for Denver. They even gave reasons.
People can apparently convince themselves of anything.
McGeorge - February 7, 2012
So true
You are convinced Franklin is a bust after all
BlobTheMagnificent - February 8, 2012
No. He is as good in the run game as I expected. He did better is pass protect (although not vs the Pats in the playoffs).
I’d still like to see him at OG instead of RT. He could be a well above average OG. Kuper and Franklin would make an awesome guard combo for us.
Let Ryan Harris return to his role as RT. Keep Beadles around as your 6th O-linemen.
McGeorge - February 8, 2012
he's kind of tall or an OG but I sure would like to see him on the D-Line.
KoloradoKaos - February 8, 2012
No Kidding McG
Remember this?
KaptainKirk - February 7, 2012
JeffG should have listened to me.
McGeorge - February 8, 2012
when I heard the story on they radio I thought
they said his plate said “SOFT”
abraham76 - February 7, 2012
sc31089 - February 7, 2012
The thing about Gisele...
She said what most football wives likely want to say…. the difference, she is the one QB-wife that is MORE of a global icon than her husband. That provides her the vehicle to do what these other wives and girlfriends cannot…..
Not saying it is right, but would probably be much more prevalent if other QBs marries global brands…
John Bena - February 7, 2012
We ran into this a bit with Eric Decker's girlfriend during the season when Tebow missed a few passes and Decker had a few drops.
The Gisele story was taken to a whole other level, though. Loved ones do talk back when they’re provoked, but given the Super Bowl spotlight and her status as a major celebrity, the story blew up.
Troy Hufford - February 7, 2012
anger management
is getting out of control, this from an individual who has had to suppress numerous anger issues, when you add paparazzi and taunting G-Men fans to the mix, it can swiftly spiral out of control. Public officials simply have to be cognizant of their surroundings at all times, tis the price of fame
the new Bradfather - February 7, 2012
Would you really call what Gisele said a "display of anger" that's in need of some "managing?"
Obviously she shouldn’t have said it. But this, like so many other things in the media, is being blown out of proportion. It’s silly.
neumdaddy - February 7, 2012
I suppose my comment
revolves more around her status as a public official, no it isn’t fair, but when you have that much prestige, the MSM will do what they will do. I am a member, ignominiously, of this group, although I have much more restraint than many of those tools, yes, it is being blown out of proportion, but at this stage, while the maxim is true, it is irrelevant
the new Bradfather - February 7, 2012
Public official ?
Highness of Hotness ? Mayor of Modeltown ? Secretary of Sexyness?
Alaskan - February 7, 2012
The thing about her is
She is a wife and was defending her husband. Thats it. And other than hurting a few feelings, why shouldnt she? Right or wrong. And if her words are enough to cause any sort of problems in the locker room, then there is definetly something else going on…She doesnt need to be managed. I pity the fool who trys to tell my wife she cant offer her opinion. lol
JOEGATOR15 - February 8, 2012
Thanks for the rant Troy.
I think Tebow knows what he wants in life in a woman and will find one some day. I just hope when he get’s to Dove Valley they start immediately working on his technique and timing with the receivers…
As cheap as Moreno is, I would give him one more chance and that’s it. He get’s hurt this year, bye-bye…
bfree2bronc - February 7, 2012
Moreno...
If moreno does get cut, who else in the 09 draft class is still on the roster other than ayers?
4everOrangeNBlue - February 7, 2012 via mobile
Jeremy Bates
joins Cuntler in the Windy City, expect lots of points and turnovers, meaning no clutch wins, the Chicago defense is getting old
the new Bradfather - February 7, 2012
Cee You Next Tuesday.
That is the worst bad word of them all Brad. I don’t want to see that coming from your mouth.
There will be no more box seats for you when I’m GM if you keep up with such language.
McGeorge - February 7, 2012
Sorry McGeorge :(
the new Bradfather - February 7, 2012
Crybaby Jay does the trick.
Or Custer.
Or Triple Chin.
We’ll all know whom you are talking about.
McGeorge - February 7, 2012
that's what I'll do then
no need for me to be a horse’s south end, I’m better than that
the new Bradfather - February 7, 2012
QB Triple Chin is pretty nasty if you’re feeling that way.
McGeorge - February 7, 2012
Epic!
QB Triple chin throwing a triumvirate of pick sixes against the Lions, I see potential…
the new Bradfather - February 7, 2012
One chin for every red zone pick.
McGeorge - February 7, 2012
Now I've got it!
the new Bradfather - February 7, 2012
or Quitler
Calikula - February 7, 2012
that one's good!
the new Bradfather - February 7, 2012
A lot of points?
Or yards?
DaLostBoy4 - February 7, 2012
Good. Now I hope that Lovie gets Jay an offensive line and some real WRs.
KoloradoKaos - February 7, 2012
Won’t matter because that would come at the expense of an expensive D, which Chicago would forfeit in order to upgrade their offense.
Can’t have your cake and eat it too triple chin.
McGeorge - February 7, 2012
also
why do we care how Custer feels, he’s not a Bronco, he metaphorically flipped us off, go have fun in a critical media market a-hole
the new Bradfather - February 7, 2012
us who? You got a Josh McDaniels in your pocket?
KoloradoKaos - February 8, 2012
Im with him. So that makes 2 of us.
I think you’re about the only one still wanting Custer back. Get over it bro he’s gone. He wanted out, and like Dennis Allen, I say good riddance
Calikula - February 8, 2012
I'm in.
Even if we could trade Tebow for Cutler, no thanks.
Digger24 - February 9, 2012
I never said trade Tebow for Cutler
my point is…..the blame for that horrible situation goes directly on Pat Bowlen and Josh McDaniels.
The only person that Cutler gave the finger to was Josh McDaniels! Rightfully so because Josh McDaniels was an immature, insecure and inexperienced little man that completely destroyed the chance of a lifetime.
KoloradoKaos - February 9, 2012
You're not seeing it from a proper perspective Cali.
How can anyone in their right mind blame Cutler? He may have wanted out but only after being kicked out.
+He knew that the core of young, productive and talented offensive players that the 2008 Broncos had was among the best in league history. And therefore what ever the hell they were doing was working!
+He knew that Pat Bowlen made a big mistake by hiring Josh McDaniels.
+He quickly learned that Josh McDaniels was fricking out of his mind because he spitefully wanted to dismantle that core of young, productive and talented offensive players and change the successful scheme that they were running.
+He quickly learned that Josh McDaniels was out of his frickin mind and wanted to trade him, the most successful (by a few miles) young QB in Broncos history .
+He quickly learned that if you were not one of Josh McDaniels offensive guys (no matter how talented, young and productive) he would not keep you around.
+He quickly learned that if you did not kiss Josh McDaniels imature, insecure and spiteful little ass…he was not going to keep you around.
+He quickly learned that Josh McDaniels was far to immature and insecure to be a quality leader, teacher, mentor and coach at the NFL level.
+Cutler was a Bronco. He was drafted by the Broncos. He was a successful young Bronco and never gave any indication (before the Josh McDaniels take over) that he was not happy in Denver and or did not want to finish his career win Denver.
At the time of his banishment, I couldn’t blame Cuter for his actions because he was placed in a horrible situation (unbelievable when you think about it) by an immature, insecure and inexperienced spiteful little man. Josh McDaniels treated Cutler, the team, the organization and fans like shit and I will never let it go.
I’m not keeping my fingers crossed, sitting Native America style in front of my Jay Shrine hoping that Cutler will someday (before Da Bears frickin kill him) come back and rescues the Broncos. Not at all, I’m very excited (and very interested) to see what the near future has in store for my favorite team. I’m just continuing to open eyes about what really took place in Denver from 2009-2010, that’s all.
And your Cuter = Allen comparison is like comparing Night and Day. It’s actually discouraging. Complete opposites. Allen gladly, willingly and rightfully took a promotion and more money to move from a DC to a HC of an NFL football team. As stated above, Jay Cutler was forced out of Denver by an immature, insecure, inexperienced and spiteful little man. It is inaccurate statements and comparisons like that, that will continue to fuel me.
Now if you want to talk about a player that forced his way out. Let’s talk about Brandon Lloyd, the selfish stat whore. He’d rather play on a losing team and catch a lot of passes then play on a winning team quarterbacked by Tim Tebow and catch fewer passes and have to run block.
I hope this way too long reply and shed a little light onto several situations for you and some other readers.
KoloradoKaos - February 9, 2012
Im well aware of these situations KK. Consider this:
1. Jay was an arrogant little punk who once said “I have a stronger arm than Elway.”
2. Acted totally disinterested during a dinner with said Johnny legend
3. Got a cell phone slapped out of his hands when John Lynch was trying to talk to him about the secondary
4. Called Denver fans a 6 and Chicago fans a 9.
5. He’s no longer a Bronco. So good riddance. Oh, and taking interviews while your team is in the playoffs is very disrespectful to your organization. So good riddance Allen as well
Calikula - February 9, 2012
Lets face it. Most if not all young, ultra talented NFL QBs are arrogant.
John Elway too was a young, arrogant and ultra talented NFL QB once upon a time. I seriously doubt that he and Josh McDaniels would have been BFF.
KoloradoKaos - February 10, 2012
We won this battle (really I won since you were not around). Most people at MHR now dislike McJedi.
That doesn’t mean they should like Cutler. They are both douche bags.
A core of Cutler, Marshall and Scheff would never have won a Super Bowl in Denver. I don’t even know if that core makes the playoffs.
McGeorge - February 10, 2012
You mean the most productive core of young offensive players in league history?
Playing in the weak ass west and never making the playoffs? Now what would prompt you to make a ridicules statement like that?
KoloradoKaos - February 10, 2012
Tebowing <> Praying
I thought this was obvious to people.
neumdaddy - February 7, 2012
Using your logic, Prater and DJ should be cut immediately as well. Dismissing their on-field production, they committed the same selfish act as Moreno. DJ committed it twice. If they were kept on the team, Moreno should as well if the team wants to give him one more chance at proving himself. Speaking strictly about the act itself, and not on-field production, Moreno should be treated the same as Prater and Williams. If they choose to cut him, it should be because of lack of production. Not the DUI.
jbbroncosfan27 - February 7, 2012 via mobile
If they choose to cut him, it should be because of lack of production.
I agree.
And he’ll probably get cut when 2012 competition beats him out. Moreno’s NFL self life looks like it could be surprisingly short lived. He may want to switch from a Bentley to something like a Accord. Get used to normal life sooner vs later because he’ll be working with Tatum Bell in a year or two.
McGeorge - February 7, 2012
Haha.
We’re not cutting Moreno.
Digger24 - February 7, 2012
I’d wait until the end of TC before you make that claim.
Moreno isn’t that good to just assume he makes the 2012 roster. Esp when we draft an RB high in 2012 and McGahee is still around.
Moreno is no shoe in for the 2012 team and that statement I’m making is 100% on his limited talent and lack of production. The DUI isn’t something I’m even considering.
McGeorge - February 7, 2012
I will if you do.
Oh wait you already have said your piece. I guess I’m supposed to shut up and listen.
Digger24 - February 7, 2012
I would agree, I don’t think they cut him. Still got some promise. He was showing flashes again this year and might have flourished in the Tebow run offense but suffered that injury. Wish we coul dhave seen him in the Tebow offense
waterboy31321 - February 7, 2012
only reason might be is if he doesn’t rehab properly
waterboy31321 - February 7, 2012
I didn’t say to cut Moreno now. Not once did I say that. I’m not one of the screaming fools.
What I did say is that Moreno will get cut after TC when it becomes apparent for the 4th year in a row that he isn’t any good.
McGeorge - February 7, 2012
Eh
Moreno isn’t a great runner – true. He does have a lot of use as a utility back though. He’s an excellent receiver – he’s by far Denver’s best receiving RB. Did you notice how the frequency of screen passes went dramatically down once Moreno went down? Moreno was always a threat receiving out of the backfield, and McGahee is pretty meh in that role. I also think Moreno has plenty of potential in some of the zone-read series of plays as I think that style feeds more off his abilities than the bruising style McGahee runs.
Now, that doesn’t make him a great RB… It’s just that Moreno = Robert Ayers. A dude drafted in the first round who plays like a dude drafted in the 3rd round. Not a guy you plan your future around, but not a guy you need to cut unless you have a wealth of talent at the position (and we don’t at RB). Moreno is an underachiever sure and will never be a 20 or even 15 carries/game guy, but he’s still a very useful player and better than replacement-level.
scooter17 - February 7, 2012
Moreno > Ball, Johnson
The deciding factor there will be contracts. The sad thing is they’ve already paid out the majority of Moreno’s contract. If both Ball and Johnson can step up, Moreno could become very obsolete. If the Broncos hit on some good talent in the draft, TC could be very interesting.
An aside: If you are rolling in a Bentley with “Sauced” on your vanity plate, it’s just a matter of time before you get nailed. Moreno’s off field vision seems to be just as poor as it is on.
CH74 - February 7, 2012
Agree Mostly.
If EFX were on the fence about keeping KnoShow around, this might have pushed them to go ahead and release him. Which I would probably do just because he can’t stay healthy and can’t produce. He wouldn’t be hard to replace, since he hardly ever plays.
I don’t believe that any one who is arrested should be cut just because of an arrest. The old innocent till proven guilty thing. I know we all like to pass immediate judgment from what we hear from the media. For me, the determining factor would be “are they hurting the locker room and team unity”, if so then let ’em go.
Puckhead1 - February 7, 2012
1st time DUI isn’t a cut-able offense in many cases. Blowing a 0.10 and getting pulled over speeding is really stupid, but it’s just that.
Blowing a 0.2 and crashing into another car.. That is cuttable.
Raping an unconscious women (P Cox). that’s cuttable too.
Richard Quinn not knowing the play book after two seasons. Also cuttable offense.
McGeorge - February 7, 2012
HAHA
Dick was a monstrous swing and miss.
JALefor - February 7, 2012
McDaniels Just needed more time!
KoloradoKaos - February 7, 2012
Just think
..of the roster McD could’ve put together with just one more draft. Julio Jones at #2 with a reach for a raw TE who can double as long snapper at #45.
Yes, I’m still bitter.
deflated - February 7, 2012
You forgot trading away the #1 overall pick in 2012 (Andrew Luck) so we could get Ras-I Dowling at the top of round 2.
Come on man!
McGeorge - February 7, 2012
Luck and his family aren’t dumb. He’d be registering for postgrad courses at Stanford as soon as McDaniels got anywhere near the top pick.
deflated - February 7, 2012
But we didn’t because McJedi would have traded away our future 1st round pick sight unseen so he could land a versatile gamer like Ras-I Dowling and get him one year earlier (which apparently makes the trade smarter???). Not that I ever understood that inane logic.
The Pats got Andrew Luck in 2012. and the McJedi plan succeeded to it’s fullest extent.
Thankfully Josh was dumb enough to actively spy on the 49ers and try to cover it up, but since his staff hated him so much, they ratted him out and he was fired.
McGeorge - February 7, 2012
Josh McJedi in his Scobby-Doo episode voice…
“And I would have gotten away with it too if not for those meddling Mike McCoy” Whom was the rat.
Thanks Mike. That was your best ever play call!
McGeorge - February 7, 2012
I’d try for a witty reply but I don’t have it in me anymore. Time to go and kick the dog. You dragged me down into the muck with you, McDaniels.
deflated - February 7, 2012
It won’t be until 2018 or so where I’ll be able to get over the McJedi stench.
As long as I have to watch tools like Moreno waste away on our roster, I’ll just be too disgusted.
McGeorge - February 7, 2012
Just imagine if McJedi had the 2011 draft!!! and more time to work with Orton, Wink, Prieffer and Dick Quinn. We could have gone 0-16 last year with OLB Robert Ayers leading the team with 0.5 sacks.
I was devastated when we fired McJedi. We were right on the cusp of 5 consecutive Super Bowl wins (well… according to Lombardi and the intelligentsia).
McGeorge - February 7, 2012
And yes. I’m still very bitter. Seeing dumb ass Moreno get tagged for DUI as Orakpo made the Pro Bowls in 2009, 2010 and 2011 (yes all of them).
At least we have Robert Ayers and his likely career high of 3 sacks in 2011.
McGeorge - February 7, 2012
ha ha...
Sounds good to me.
Puckhead1 - February 7, 2012
Yup.
Troy Hufford - February 7, 2012
I can’t be the only person that thinks the Super Bowl was rather dull. For the QB ratings and high completion %s, that game wasn’t all that entertaining or well played (executed).
Think of it this way, Tom Brady set the NFL record for consecutive completions, his completion % was 66%, he threw for nearly 300 yards and his QB rating was 91. Yet his team scored all of 17 points in a loss.
I mean Denver scored 17 points in our win over Kansas City (in KC) where Tebow was 2-8 passing with one TD and no turnovers and just 69 yards passing. KC’s defense is as good as the Giants (maybe better). definitely a better secondary and set of LBs than NYG.
Lots of ways to skin a cat and win (or lose) in the NFL. Those that say the NFL is a passing league are lazy cliche repeaters. I’d rather have offensive balance, a team with a + turnover ratio and a good pass rush.
McGeorge - February 7, 2012
I agree with everything you just said.
broncofan91 - February 7, 2012
I also thought it was dull, and that the crowd felt muted, too, at least on TV. Kind of a boring game.
Awesome throw by Manning that one time, but otherwise… and I can’t get over, just aesthetically speaking, how dumb the game-winning touchdown looked.
tunesmith - February 7, 2012
Yes. That looked absurd. The biggest TD of the season and very few players were evening trying. Watching Spikes show no effort (on purpose) just looked wrong.
I’m sure ESPN will rate it as a Top 5 Super Bowl, but it wasn’t even close.
McGeorge - February 7, 2012
BAM!
Great ruminations.
BroncoPH - February 7, 2012
I wonder if we could
trade Moreno for a 6th round pick since we don’t have one (Thanks a lot McDaniels)
Nick Cast - February 7, 2012
A sixth rounder for Joe Mays may have been one of McJedi’s very best trades. A sad comment in its own regard.
Joe Mays is better than Mike Mohammad (another 6th rounder). Sadly, he may be better than Nate Irving too.
McGeorge - February 7, 2012
Just curious.
Do you get to watch practices? Are you privy to more information than what most of us have?
Digger24 - February 7, 2012
I do get to watch the games and Mohammad doesn’t play in them. In fact, we even felt comfortable enough cutting him during the season.
1+1 works for me Digger. Doesn’t work for everyone though.
McGeorge - February 7, 2012
I always thought McDaniels did pretty good with trades
………and then made stupid selections with those draft picks.
sc31089 - February 7, 2012
part of being a savant
at times, he “succeeded,” in spite of himself, he just can’t relate to people effectively at all, he’s a horses’ south end and he’s back where he belongs
the new Bradfather - February 7, 2012
It's true. Maroney was top notch.
KoloradoKaos - February 7, 2012
they weren't all good
that one and the Quinn for Hillis come to mind.
But I think we came out ahead in the Cutler deal and also the Brandon Marshall deal if only the picks were used for better things than Richard Quinn and Alphonso SMith among others.
sc31089 - February 7, 2012
Keep that 2008 core of young, talented, productive offensive players together and win some championships.
KoloradoKaos - February 8, 2012
No way. Cutler isn’t a winner and Marshall really isn’t a winner. Scheff was a mid level TE and that is it. Royal is totally overrated at WR and HIllis is a mid level RB.
If our O really was good in 2008, we’d have scored more points, rather than just hollow yards.
Not to mention Shanny hasn’t been a good NFL coach since 2005.
McJedi was a horrible hire, but our 2008 was nothing special.
McGeorge - February 10, 2012
I’m pretty sure we got murdered in the Alphonso Smith deal, the Hillis deal, the Maroney deal, the Jarvis Green deal.
We even got bad value trading down with the Eagles and 49ers and gave up bad value moving back up for Tebow and DT at the 2011 draft.
McJedi lost most of his trades.
McGeorge - February 7, 2012
Got murdered in the Alphonso Smith deal?
we got what he was worth. He just shouldn’t have been drafted in the first place.
sc31089 - February 7, 2012
Dude, there is no way a mid 2010 1st round pick was worth a high 2009 2nd round pick.
No math can make that deal pencil out for Denver.
McGeorge - February 7, 2012
I thought you were referring to the Alphonso Smith trade to Detroit not the draft day trade for picks. I never like trading next year’s picks for this year’s. That’s never good math in my opinion.
The Hillis trade seemed like murder at frst but after seeing him act up this year while Brady Quinn was being a good teammate makes me wonder.
sc31089 - February 7, 2012
I’m not worried about Irving. I’ll reserve judgements until after this year’s TC.
Mays is a solid run stuffer, but boy does he have deficiencies in pass coverage.
Nick Cast - February 7, 2012
Lets not kid ourselves Nick. I couldn’t name you three worse starting ILBs in the NFL than Mays.
Joe Mays is likely the worst starting MLB in the league.
McGeorge - February 7, 2012
Oh but according to PFF he's one of our best defenders!
Stats dont tell the whole story. To put it in perspective, all you have to do is tell me who is our worst starting defender. To me, its neck and neck between Mays and one of the Strong Safeties.
Calikula - February 7, 2012
Raheem Moore was the worst defender is several games I watched. Mays was the worst in several as well.
Dawkins and Carter has some very low light performances as well.
McGeorge - February 7, 2012
Tough for me to accept Dawkins in this mix
Dawkins brings to that defense far more than just individual production. He keeps guys in their place. He runs that defense.
I read a stat, and am too lazy at the moment to check on it, but it said the Broncos never lost when Dawkins and Tebow each played the entire game.
I’d be willing to forgive Dawkins his missteps for the simple power of presence he provides on the field.
BroncoPH - February 7, 2012
But….but… it’s the off season!
How dare you tell me one of our Broncos is bad!
EVERYONE IS AMAZING AND A FUTURE HALL OF FAMER!!!
sticks fingers in his ears LALALALALALA.
Nick Cast - February 7, 2012
just because I thought it would be interesting to look up in the stats (despite Calikula’s objections :) ) …
pro-football-reference, starting ILB’s, started 8 or more games: Tied for 22nd out of 34. Scores ranged from 18 AV (D’Qwell Jackson of Cleveland) to 4 AV (Dan Connor of Carolina), Mays scored a 7.
advancednflstats, Mays ranks 74 out of 198 linebackers – that’s all linebackers, and I couldn’t filter out non-starters or players that made only one game appearance.
profootballfocus, Mays is 17th out of 50 ILB’s. Both Mays and D’Qwell are similar in pass coverage according to them, but D’Qwell was much stronger against the run.
All three sites agree that these inside linebackers are worse than Mays:
A.J. Hawk, Green Bay
Bradie James, Dallas
Dan Connor, Carolina (why does this guy keep showing up on our mocks? He sucks.)
Believe it or not, those are the only three ILB’s in the NFL that were unanimously considered worse than Mays – looking at AV, PFF’s “overall”, and adv.’s EPA, WPA, and EPA/G.
So yeah, McGeorge was pretty close. haha.
tunesmith - February 7, 2012
btw
I should note that using standards as tight as those, only eight ILB’s were unanimously considered better than Mays:
Patrick Willis
Ray Lewis
Paul Posluszny
Stephen Tulloch
London Fletcher
D’Qwell Jackson
Daryl Washington
Curtis Lofton
All the others had at least one stat that was worse (like, Urlacher had less WPA), or may have been categorized as being in a position other than MLB.
tunesmith - February 7, 2012
Alec Baldwin
Tebow “tebowed” with Alec Baldwin also.If Tim has sex he might get distracted. The barn door would be open
Baghdad - February 7, 2012
And what I really liked was when Tebow said, and I'm paraphrasing - "this really is a never say never moment...
Alec Baldwin prayed…that’s pretty cool"
Nice touch!
broncofaninIL - February 7, 2012
I asked Mr Bowlen once -some years ago:
With all the pressure to win in the NFL – how do you balance the role model element/character when it comes to alcohol etc with winning? How did he weigh these issues? You know he commented on the relative immaturity of younger players, the role models in their lives etc but seemed to be focus on the athlete taking sincere responsibility and looking at each situation individually/privately and said – you know, we’ve all made mistakes in our lives we regretted later. It didnt seem he was ready to condemn/cut a guy for one foul up. He wasnt endorsing nor excusing it all all, just a sage perspective. I think the inference was that its hard to have a blanket rigid policy [unless its drug use]. Without saying so, I think he felt that teams would cut way too many players if they had a zero tolerance policy across the board. I think they can try, but doing is another matter. This is why the NFL has drug polices and teams can defer to the NFL if they like…
Denverkewl - February 7, 2012
I've never met Mr. Bowlen
but your take only reiterates what I have thought about him for years, the man is honest, the man is wise, and he is a great leader. He is really respected by other fanbases throughout the league, you guys would be surprised if you go SB Surfing as I have hitherto done.
the new Bradfather - February 7, 2012
His approach
was really alot more paternal that I expected…he thinks of his guys as family and handles them that way. he can be very disappointed in them, hold them accountable, fine them even and then give them a second chance with boundaries. I was just really curious then, since the buck stops with the owner, how does he make the call between winning at all costs and principle. I was totally impressed by the answer and the practical realism that went with it.
Denverkewl - February 7, 2012
your comments
are why I admire and respect Mr. Bowlen so much, we are a perennial power primarily because of his magnificence, all you need to know about the Albertan-born OU grad is after the Packers’ Super Bowl, he said THIS ONE’S FOR JOHN :)
the new Bradfather - February 7, 2012
Drunk
Why didn’t Moreno just get a plate that said “DRUNK”
Baghdad - February 7, 2012
He was too drunk to think of that.
Troy Hufford - February 7, 2012
So if it were up to you
We wouldn’t have a starting MLB or Kicker, backup RB or a D-Lineman???
waterboy31321 - February 7, 2012
That's what I was thinking.
Nobody ever does stupid shit in their twenties, right?
I can’t say I’d care if they cut Moreno at this point. He just doesn’t seem to be a very good player.
Oregon Crush - February 7, 2012 via mobile
Well, we "would" have a starting MLB and Kicker, etc..., it just wouldn't be DJ or Prater, etc...
Troy Hufford - February 7, 2012
Take a cab policy
The NFL needs to stress to these kids that they should never go out driving their car if they might be drinking. Take a cab, they can afford it
Baghdad - February 7, 2012
thats the thing, as of like 1 year or 2 years ago, there was a service, that is sometimes PAID for by the team or the League, that all they have to do is call a number and they will get picked up.
waterboy31321 - February 7, 2012
I believe, each team has free cab service for players who go out drinking...
Whether it’s for an actual cab service they use or if they hire their own drivers. I’m pretty sure that has been in place for several years. So there really is no excuse for a player to get a DUI.
Puckhead1 - February 7, 2012
We all mess up
still love you Knowshon
waterboy31321 - February 7, 2012
For the record
if Tebow is able to wrangle Mario Menounos onto the Broncos saddle, I say more power to him.
The sooner he can get her in a Bronco bikini, the better.
Nick Cast - February 7, 2012
I can't refute the latter clause :)
the new Bradfather - February 7, 2012
I object! Isnt it the sooner he can get her...out of any bikini???
Its…a miracle!
Denverkewl - February 7, 2012
yes
one-piece swimsuits are actually preferable, if the woman has a nice enough body, let’s have some imagination
the new Bradfather - February 7, 2012
I thought Menudo went out in the 70's
It tates good though, amazing what you can do with pig testicles and hot sauce
Baghdad - February 7, 2012
Oh, Menudo brings back bad memories
during El Paso days, yuck
the new Bradfather - February 7, 2012
Cow tripe and hominy actually
Calikula - February 7, 2012
if i had a nickel for every time i’ve heard that one…
oxmouth - February 7, 2012
Pig testicles and hot sauce
wasn’t that a Limp Bizkit album?
sc31089 - February 7, 2012
Hangover
Back in my drinking days it took the edge off the next morning
Baghdad - February 7, 2012
that's why
Mexican Catholics in the borderlands ate it Sunday mornings, they became sober for Mass
the new Bradfather - February 7, 2012
I still don't get the extreme hate for Moreno
He has 18 TDs in 2.25 seasons of games(due to injury). He averaged 8.5 TDs for his first 2 seasons. Obviously this year he was hit hard with the injury bug. McGahee had an awesome season and broke the 1000 yard mark, but he only had 5 TDs? People want to cut bait like he was Anthony Alridge. When Healthy, Moreno puts points on the board and this is while he is still considered a bust. I’m still holding out final judgment. Let him get healthy and compete for the 2012 roster.
DaLostBoy4 - February 7, 2012
I used my secret decoder glasses and found the answer in your comment...
…(due to injury).
…hit hard with the injury bug
When Healthy…
…get healthy…
sc31089 - February 7, 2012
We were saying the same thing about Demaryius Thomas
DaLostBoy4 - February 7, 2012
True
and we’ll probably be saying it again. Both of these guys seem to be a little more brittle than others in the same position. One difference to me is that DT seemed to be more of a playmaker when he was on the field than KM did this year.
So if you are going to fill roster spots with people that break easily, at least have people that can make a difference when they aren’t broken.
sc31089 - February 7, 2012
18 TDs
DaLostBoy4 - February 8, 2012
13 games missed in 3 years
sc31089 - February 8, 2012
Lance Ball hasn't missed a single game and has scored 2 TDs
DaLostBoy4 - February 8, 2012
This is what ive been trying to say since yesterday. If he can get healthy, he’s shown enough to at least earn a roster spot. Then it’s up to him to prove himself.
jbbroncosfan27 - February 7, 2012 via mobile
Because he isn't very good?
Look at the FO running back stats for last year. Scroll all the way down to Moreno – its a long way. See that -5 in the DYAR column next to his name? That means Moreno was worse than replacement level for the Broncos last year – a street free agent would be expected to do better than Moreno if given the same opportunities.
If Moreno isn’t catching the ball in space he is the worst RB option on the Broncos roster.
deflated - February 7, 2012
yet he scores TDs....
And Lance Ball has 2 in 2 seasons
DaLostBoy4 - February 7, 2012
While I LOVE footballoutsider's stats
the problem in this case is that KM had most of his touches when either hurt, or in games where the oline was being BRUTALIZED by the defense.
My guess is if you looked at similar situations for our other RBs (e.g., bad oline games like the 1st OAK contest, and/or when the the RB was dinged up), KM would look very similar or better than our other RBs.
His problem is he can’t stay healthy… when healthy, and getting even a modicum of blocking from the oline, he’s looked fine. In fact, I think when he’s been healthy he’s looked better in many ways than McGahee, and the coaches seemingly agreed given early season depth charts (before the injury bug hit KM).
If he can’t stay healthy, he’s expendable. But if healthy he’s cheap, and easily one of the top 3 backs on our current roster… when he’s not top 3 (due to injury or performance), he can go bye-bye.
cjfarls - February 7, 2012
meh
Even FO rates him very highly as a pass-catcher out of the backfield.
tunesmith - February 7, 2012
cut him
Knowshon Moreno has never been all that productive when he played… and is oft injured. This was a waste of a first round draft pick in my opinion, so yeah… he needs to be cut.
I could care less if he got a DUI. Lots of folks make mistakes… A second DUI is not ok. A string of DUI’s is inexcusable.
IMO, a single DUI is no reason to cut him. His performance and reliability are definitely reasons to send him packin.
tjpmontana - February 7, 2012
Mexican Catholics
Maybe being Catholic and alchoholic goes hand in hand. It did for me
Baghdad - February 7, 2012
Classic overreaction
waterboy31321 - February 7, 2012
Yessiree!
I say we hang him.
Digger24 - February 7, 2012
I say we hang him
and then we kill him.
sc31089 - February 7, 2012
i say we stomp him. then we tattoo him.
oxmouth - February 7, 2012
A tattoo
that says sauced and stupid.
Digger24 - February 8, 2012
Time to cut our losses with KM
He’s hardly productive when he plays, and he hardly plays. Not a very good combo. Doug Martin, anyone?
postpunk27 - February 7, 2012
have to wait until the draft...
the new Bradfather - February 7, 2012
Tim Tebow understands his emotional wake
I was going to write this into a post, but maybe a long comment here is better. (KB’s rant was really good and it fits)
When I am really bored I tend to filter through a celebrities twitter feed. You can kind of get a sense of the bogus expectations on celebrities when you read what their fans ask of them. In Tebow’s case, he gets a lot of requests to do things for people. A great example of this is the young AF Airman who would like Tebow to be her date to her first military ball.
It’s a cute story on the outside. But Tebow understands, to a degree far beyond his years, that whatever he does creates an enormous emotional wake for every person he is around. Just about every young person he takes to games has to lock down their Twitter feed to avoid the influx of a-holes who get their rocks off abusing others. If Tebow takes a girl like that to ANYTHING, her life for the next few months becomes a part of Tebowmania and she probably doesn’t have the support system around her that Tebow has to keep him away from the prying media. The media will want to know if she’s a virgin, what’s her past like, and is there anything that can discover to trash Tebow. She becomes a casualty in the war to defame Tim Tebow. Tebow, being the guy that he is, wants no part of that for people.
I think perhaps an even better example is when Tebow was asked why he doesn’t drink. You’ll notice Tebow doesn’t say he doesn’t drink because he believes everyone should abstain from alcohol, but that he understands what him drinking does to the kids around the world that look up to him. When you and I drink, perhaps to excess, it effects us and our friends and family. Our wake is significant, but it is small. When Tebow drinks it says to his legion of adoring young fans that this is okay. His wake is enormous and he is aware of it, and he is willing to stay away from it for the sake of those he influences.
Why is Tebowmania so crazy? Because people in this world crave a young person with Disney like qualities to point their kids toward. It’s absolutely about who Tim is as a person. It’s also why guys like Moreno will never have that kind of emotional wake.
BroncoPH - February 7, 2012
Wow man,
mind blowing every time. Welcome back!
postpunk27 - February 7, 2012
Thanks Grind!
It’s good to be back.
BroncoPH - February 7, 2012
Great comment PH.
boydy2669 - February 7, 2012
Fantastic post
And it is for those reasons that I hope Tim can be our franchise QB. He’s everything you’d want to represent your team and city in a positive way. I’ve definitely never been one of the biggest Tebow fans, but I can appreciate how genuine he is. It’s amazing how he sticks to his principles even while people put him down on a daily basis.
jbbroncosfan27 - February 7, 2012 via mobile
your team and your FANBASE
even those of us who don’t live in Denver, but yes, I agree with your comment wholeheartedly, just giving you a broader perspective because Utah, Wyoming, Idaho, New Mexico, Montana and northern Arizona as well as select parts of Texas, Kansas and the Dakotas are all Bronco Country!
the new Bradfather - February 7, 2012
Very true
I should’ve included the entire fanbase. I live in North Carolina, so I definitely know how it feels like to be part of Broncos Country from afar!
jbbroncosfan27 - February 7, 2012 via mobile
Wow. Rec'd
Nailed it. This is full-length post material if you have more to add btw.
Like you said, Tebow has pretty remarkable social intelligence. I’ve never seen an athlete with the amount of scrutiny he gets and yet he never manages to screw up. Makes me happy to have him on my team.
scooter17 - February 7, 2012
Rec'd for sure. It shouldn't be long before rec 5 comes around.
Troy Hufford - February 7, 2012
Nice post BPH
To me this is very telling. There is nothing wrong with choosing not to drink. There is nothing wrong with believing in a good and morale lifestyle.
There is nothing wrong with drinking alcohol (within the laws).
That is why I quoted you. I understand people want to have someone to point to as a model. People should worry more about their influence and downplay the influence of celebrity. I certainly am no shining example of how to behave, I just bristle at the idea a celebrity has to behave because they influence others. Personal responsibility needs to make a comeback.
Sean in Pa. - February 8, 2012
There is no question people need more personal responsibility
You mentioned downplaying the influence of a celebrity. My question to you would be how? That’s the very nature of influence, it’s not easily downplayed. The only way to downplay it would be to censor it, which is exactly what many parents do. They realize their influence, even as parents, can’t touch that of a celebrity so they simply make it taboo.
BroncoPH - February 8, 2012
For me it has been pretty simple
I don’t make a big deal out of it really. I wear very little “name” items. Obviously I don’t idolize celebrity so my behavior showed little influence. When my children would become fasinated, I would talk to them. In their case wrestling had become big. So we talked about the “characters” the men played and what entertainment is. Also a fair bit of being a mean father and not allowing them to body slam each other, I was not very nice about the kids trying to do the wrestling moves on TV.
Educate your children on the psychology of sales and they will be well armoured against society. :D
Sean in Pa. - February 8, 2012
That's excellent advice. Thanks!
BroncoPH - February 8, 2012
Moreno can stay so we get some production out of him before trading him for a pick
Letting him walk now would mean having overspent for his services. Now that he is cheap, the team could use him on 3rd downs. I think that’s his forte, as proven by his inflated stats when the Broncos are losing and the defense is playing the pass. That’s when Moreno really shines.
If anyone should be traded for draft picks, it’s DJ. He’s a multiple DUI offender and his stock may never be higher.
Horsepower - February 7, 2012
DJ is a good player and I'm not calling for a trade.
He may be trade bait though as you say. Even though his 2nd offense of DUI could no longer be directly blamed for his departure it could be the reason. It is far enough in the past and his contract is far enough along that his stock may be high enough to actually make it worthwhile to trade him. Trading Moreno right now would be very foolish.
Digger24 - February 8, 2012
I don't think he has much stock at all actually
His contract is too big. No one wants a LB in his 30s who has a huge contract and doesn’t quite play up to it.
scooter17 - February 8, 2012
I think they might be able to restructure his contract first
then trade him.
Horsepower - February 8, 2012
If that is possible, I’d be down with that. I don’t know enough to comment on if it’s actually possible.
scooter17 - February 10, 2012
agreed
I just hope his game catches up to his wisdom
TRUTH_HURTS - February 7, 2012 via mobile
Baghdad Iraq
Big Bronco fanbase in ALL the hellholes in the world
Baghdad - February 8, 2012
Virgins
Broncos Ph where are all rhese VIRGINS you speak of? Are they living in some far off land or does it even exist?
Baghdad - February 8, 2012
now see, i would’ve thought the virgins were in baghdad. ? if you don’t have ‘em and we don’t have ’em…
oxmouth - February 8, 2012
Why Denver, CO of course. The land flowing with milk and honey… and hippies.
BroncoPH - February 8, 2012
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